Grayguns Pistol/Carbine Course

Course Dates:
October 18th & 19th(Saturday & Sunday)

Topics to be covered:

• Skill Builder Refresher
  
• Zeroing
  
• Carbine Fundamentals
  
• Mechanical Off-set
  
• Moving Targets
  
• Tactical Scenarios
  
• Shooting Positions
  
• Low-Light shooting

Note:

• Outfitted SIG SAUER Model 556 rifles will be available for sale – Details to follow
  
• There will also be a limited number of carbines (carbine class ready) for rent.

Price:
If deposit is postmarked prior to September 1st:

• 1 training day – $200.00
  
• 2 training days – $400.00
• 3 training days – $560.00
  

If deposit is postmarked after September 1st:

• 1 training day – $225.00
  
• 2 training days – $450.00
• 3 training days – $610.00
  

Note: GGI Alumni receive a discount of 10% off course tuition.

The Range: Grayguns Inc.

• Highway 19
• Spray, OR 97874

Accomodations: River Bend Motel

• 708 Willow Street (Hwy. 19)
  
• Spray, OR, 97874
  
• Phone: (541) 468-2053
  
• Reference: 'Grayguns'
  

Please see their website, at the link above, for more information concerning the hotel.

• Rooms: (4)– Sngl ($65.00/per night) – Dbl ($70.00/per) – Trpl ($75.00/per)
  
• Bungalows: (1 remaining)– 1 Queen Bed - $80.00/per night
  
• The Retreat:– 2 Beds, 2Baths, 1 Pull Out Couch & a Hideaway – $180.00/per night
  
• White House:– 1 Dbl Bed, 1 set bunk beds, 1 Hideaway – $100.00/per night
  

Pre-Requisites:
Any Grayguns Inc. Course. This includes Gun Camp, Skill Builder, Practical Fundamentals, SIG Academy or other remote courses.

Required Equipment:

• Wraparound Eye and hearing protection. Electronic hearing protectors are recommended, but not mandatory.
  
• Service Pistol (9mm preferred just from a cost point but .40 or .45 welcome)
  
• Service Holster, e.g. Thigh holsters or drop/duty holsters. No cross draw holsters for safety reasons. – See Note #1
  
• 600 rounds of pistol ammunition – See Note #2
  
• 5-8 pistol magazines are suggested. Although, the more the better.
  
• Some means to carry 4 pistol magazines on the belt, or body.
  
• Rear tail-cap type flashlight (e.g. Surefire, Pentagon, Streamlight)
  
• Service Carbine (AR or piston type, must have removable magazines.)
  
• Carbine Sling – tactical-type preferred.
  
• Lube of your choice to keep your carbine running.
  
• Some means to carry a couple of carbine magazines on the body. It is up to the student what they use to carry magazines on the body with. If they normally wear an assault vest, then please bring it.
  
• 1500 rounds of carbine ammunition – See Note #3
  
• 6 carbine magazines are suggested. Although, the more the better.
  
• Cleaning & maintenance supplies for daily maintenance
  
• Lube of your choice to keep your carbine running.
  
• Please bring plenty of water
  
• Bring plenty of sunscreen and a big hat of sorts to protect you from the sun.
  
• Recommended attire: Jeans, BDUs or canvas type pants.
  
• Note #1 – Holsters – No competition specific holsters (radical cant), cross-draw or shoulder holsters. There are no exceptions to this. If you have a question regarding the appropriateness of your holster then please ask. If it is deemed inappropriate then it is highly likely we can work something out to provide a holster for you to borrow for the class.
  
• Note #2 – Pistol Ammunition –No Hollowpoint, +P or magnum ammo permitted.
  
• Note #3 – Carbine Ammunition – No API or tracer permitted.
  There are no ammunition exceptions to this due to safety issues posed by shooting hollowpoint ammunition at steel targets.
  
• Note #4 – Clothing – No sandals or "tank tops" are allowed.

Recommended Equipment:

• Quality Red dot sight. (Aimpoint, Reflex, EoTech, etc. If you are running something else, let me know ahead of time.)
  
• Hydration system.
  
• Pen and notebook.
  
• Dual mag attachment.
  
• Shooting gloves.
  
• Shooting mat.
  
• Elbow and Knee pads.
  
• Weapon mounted lights: pistol and carbine
  

Gray Guns Dryfire Packet:
Send an email to dryfire@grayguns.com

Weather Note:
Bring pants and jackets. I'd come ready for a bit of light snow and wind cold as a well digger's farts. That time last year there was ice on the passes until about 10am each day, so caution will be prudent. GGI should be moved in to the new shop by then and we should be able to house everybody locally so that nobody has to make the drive over any passes daily. Per Flork, we can expect the following:

• Normal High: 67°F
  
• Normal Low: 37°F
  
• Normal Average: 52°F
  

Enrollment

• lostlogic - PIF
  
• JJ - DEP
  
• SB - DEP
  
• Stlhead - PIF
  
• SS - PIF
  
• MB
  
• JG - DEP
  
• WC-MG - DEP
  
• WC-WO - DEP
  
• teddy_gammell - PIF
  

This message has been edited. Last edited by: DCM7,

Shouldn't that be 600 rounds of pistol and 1500 rounds of carbine ammo?

Rock, rock on!

Can't wait.

Gotta either get a properly fitting tactical vest or some other means of carrying all of my kit.

I take it that those attending the Skill Builder on Friday are exempt from the prerequisite?

Wayne,
Good catch! You are correct. Many thanks!

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I take it that those attending the Skill Builder on Friday are exempt from the prerequisite?

Brandon,
Correct. Those attending the Skill Builder on Friday will have satisfied the pre-requisite for the Pistol/Carbine course.

Will looks good!

DCM7-

Couple of questions.....

-What's the training schedule going to be like, pistol on Saturday and rifle on Sunday? Or a mix of both?

-Do you really think the students will burn through 1500 rounds of rifle in two days?

-Who is teaching what portions of the class? And can we get a little more background on the instructors besides Bruce and Scott?

-Is this class geared more towards how to shoot a carbine and pistol, or to the finer points of how to fight with a carbine and pistol?

Please don't take any of this like I'm challenging your guy's course, I just try and do as much homework on training courses before I throw my money down on it. I've taken Grayguns pistol classes before, would just like to know a bit more about the other instructors and the rifle side of this class.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by lostlogic:
Gotta either get a properly fitting tactical vest or some other means of carrying all of my kit.

You should probably look into something simple like a chest rig.

This one is very popular: Eagle/SKD Rig

Mr. J,
No challenge taken and thank you for your questions. The lead on this course is Jerry Jones. He will be along to answer your content related questions. Thank you and hopefully we will see you in Spray this October.

Mr. J,

Let me take a stab at some of your questions. The actual round count by the sylabus is around 1200. But, you want to have enough extra in case you have catastophic problems along the way. Plus, friendly competition tends to eat up a few more rounds than budgeted. Alot of people benchmark a course by the number of rounds fired, we try to stay loose on that fact, as its about learning and reinforcing technique, and not burning brass.

The course will begin on Saturday, and the will be split in two. Half the class will zero rifles and work on positional shooting, the other half will work on a condensed skill builder, then switch. The class will then be put back together. After that students will be introduced, (or reintroduced as this is nothing new) on things such as mechanical offset, reloads, stoppages, mindset, transitions, , transistional targets, and shooting on the move.

Sunday will be more of the same and to include the skills you learned the previous day plus shooting moving targets and tactical scenarios.

I personally hate to label a class as a "technical" or "fighting" class as they seem to be done to death. The absolute worst part of some of the so truck driver so called "fighting" schools, is that they teach poor gun handling, and bad tactics at the expense of looking cool and putting asses in seats (and on the line).

What the student can expect from this class. To have the technical profiency to put rounds on a target that they are legally and morally cleared to engage, while under stress. To engage a moving target at a distance, and score hits. To engage targets in tactical scenairos, that may be moving or partially exposed (or moving, partially exposed, and have a 3D close proximity hostage), and have the confidence to engage the target and score hits. Or have the personal judgement skills to know that there is no way the shooter would attempt that shot in real life, which there is alot of merit in. Also to be noted, most all the shooters we train will never be faced with these types of shots. But shooting them in training builds confidence, in both the shooter and equipement. The course is also a good judge of you weapons and gear to find what works and doesn't.

Will is being very generous in my title. I am just a small cog in the GGI machine. My relevant background is nearing 15 years as a police officer, with a heavy operational background in police special operations. I have been a firearms instructor since 1997, when I graduated from the FBI firearms instructor school. A decade ago, I was one of a handful of certifed sniper instructors in the state, and to date the only non state police employed instructor to teach long rifle under the State Police umbrella, to local, state, and federal agencies. I am also a state certified carbine instructor, and teach at two of the four police academys in the state as an adjunct instructor. I am currently in the pipeline to become a full fledged state level instructor, to be completed in Sept, with my first assignment being to work with the state firearms coordinator, in revamping the states patrol rifle program. My current full time job is as a K9 handler with a multijuridictional task force.

I have been teaching for Bruce for a couple of years now, and recently named the senior staff instructor for GGI.

If you need anymore info, give me a shout.

Hope this helps, Jones.

JL-

All they had to say was you were teaching and that would've sufficed for me. I know you're GTG

Thanks for the info.

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Originally posted by Mr. J:
JL-

All they had to say was you were teaching and that would've sufficed for me. I know you're GTG

Thanks for the info.

No probs, dude! If I can do anything else, let me know.

Jerry, assuming that the Friday skill builder runs, will there be any particular tweaks to the Saturday morning curriculum for those folks that take three total days of training?

Thanks!

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Originally posted by lostlogic:
Jerry, assuming that the Friday skill builder runs, will there be any particular tweaks to the Saturday morning curriculum for those folks that take three total days of training?

Thanks!

Brandon, are you asking if the skill builder guys from Friday will move on while the other guys work on condensed skill builder? If that is the case, yes. We will most likely use that as a mechanism to divide the class. Shoot me an email and we'll discuss further.

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The first batch of registration forms have been emailed this evening. I will update the list as registration forms and deposits roll in. In addition, for those interested I will be sending any new additions to the list their registration form on a weekly basis, more specifically on Fridays.

Have a great weekend everyone!

If anybody (who can legally own one in their state) wants to purchase a 556 and have us outfit it for them, please let me know so I can get the rifle ordered and on the way.

About the 556. I'm starting to create an after market for these beauties. Anybody interested in adding an accessory rail to their 556 that has the 551 hand guards? I've got something really cool on the horizon....keep your eyes peeled.

Hey buddy any change there will be a folder adaptor for the 550 stocks in the making?

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Originally posted by Flork:
If anybody (who can legally own one in their state) wants to purchase a 556 and have us outfit it for them, please let me know so I can get the rifle ordered and on the way.

About the 556. I'm starting to create an after market for these beauties. Anybody interested in adding an accessory rail to their 556 that has the 551 hand guards? I've got something really cool on the horizon....keep your eyes peeled.

The only 556 thing I _really_ want is a Sig height folding front iron that's narrower than the stock blade.

Jerry-
Bring the class to Sacramento!

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Originally posted by lostlogic:

quote:

Originally posted by Flork:
If anybody (who can legally own one in their state) wants to purchase a 556 and have us outfit it for them, please let me know so I can get the rifle ordered and on the way.

About the 556. I'm starting to create an after market for these beauties. Anybody interested in adding an accessory rail to their 556 that has the 551 hand guards? I've got something really cool on the horizon....keep your eyes peeled.

The only 556 thing I _really_ want is a Sig height folding front iron that's narrower than the stock blade.

Working on something like that .....don't worry, you'll like it.

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Originally posted by 45R:
Jerry-
Bring the class to Sacramento!

Oh yeah, DOJ would love that.....