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Just got the new rule book this week. Some significant changes.

Not too sure they are great, but time will tell.

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Just got the new rule book this week. Some significant changes.

Not too sure they are great, but time will tell.

RMD

For one thing, you need your best reading glasses to read it Smile
 
Perhaps the best change I see is doing away with "cover" calls and using fault lines, typically tactile but not always. If you are not faulting the line, you are behind cover, IDPA style. This one change alone resulted in our last match (last Saturday) to be inundated with other club members who usually only shoot USPSA. I asked a few why they were shooting IDPA for the first time, and the answer was to a person the new cover/fault line rule.
 
The new classifier is streamlined, down to 72 rounds while keeping basically the same format. It also eliminates any tactical/retention reloads.
 
Another change I like regards engaging targets in the open. It used to be, if you ran to empty, you could only initiate an emergency reload, but had to proceed to cover to fire any more rounds. In the new book, run empty in the open and you may complete an emergency reload and continue engaging targets in the open.
 
 
 
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Accuracy is much more important with the full second penalty for being outside the zero. Also new targets will have a very small area on the head as the zero area. Outside that is a one.
 
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Accuracy is much more important with the full second penalty for being outside the zero. Also new targets will have a very small area on the head as the zero area. Outside that is a one.

I kind of like the new target (which won't go into operation until later this year). Though the head's -0 zone is only 1/3 of the total head area, it is more generous than the USPSA head "box", and it is nicely placed as a circle in the meat of the head area. And yes, accuracy will mean more for scoring now.
 
 
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Did they also do away with the failure to neutralize penalty?


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Did they also do away with the failure to neutralize penalty?

FTN is not mentioned in the new rule book, so, yes, it appears to be gone as such. Just shooting a target and failing to neutralize it appears to incur no penalty any more, beyond your down points. Perhaps the new full second down instead of 1/2 second makes up for that.
 
But, they did introduce a new penalty, FP (flagrant penalty), which is 10 seconds. It is sort of vague, in that an FP can be assessed for an infraction that gains a competitive advantage. Skipping a target (which would have incurred an FTN before), could be so construed. So you could get an FP for a target not engaged.
 
 
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Did they also do away with the failure to neutralize penalty?

FTN is not mentioned in the new rule book, so, yes, it appears to be gone as such. Just shooting a target and failing to neutralize it appears to incur no penalty any more, beyond your down points. Perhaps the new full second down instead of 1/2 second makes up for that.
 
But, they did introduce a new penalty, FP (flagrant penalty), which is 10 seconds. It is sort of vague, in that an FP can be assessed for an infraction that gains a competitive advantage. Skipping a target (which would have incurred an FTN before), could be so construed. So you could get an FP for a target not engaged.
 


Just what IDPA needs another vague penalty. There are already enough issues with FTDRs thrown around for no good reason.

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One step forward, two step backward.

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WE have a three digit member at our club. He remembers when the down points were .3 seconds. He said some folks could miss fast enough to win.


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WE have a three digit member at our club. He remembers when the down points were .3 seconds. He said some folks could miss fast enough to win.


Sorry that argument is full of shit. In reality the split times aren't that much different, certainly less than 0.3 second different.

The difference is in athleticism. The guy who has more points down, and yet still wins over more accurate shooters consistently moves faster through a stage than the more accurate shooter. If the shooter that was "missing fast enough to win" improved his accuracy he would be even higher up the rankings.


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Did they also do away with the failure to neutralize penalty?


yes, it is gone.

When you go to 1 sec down, two -3 shots is going to be 6 secs added to your score, to add a FTN for the two -3 hits would be crippling to a lot of new shooters. It needed to go away.



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