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170 x 6 = 1020 rounds on Bill Drills! Eek


Average round count for that day was actually closer to 1200. Each one left the barrel with a purpose........


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170 x 6 = 1020 rounds on Bill Drills! Eek


Average round count for that day was actually closer to 1200. Each one left the barrel with a purpose........


I apologize. Jerry Drills. Wink


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Just curious. Anyone experience gun problems in all those rounds?


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170 x 6 = 1020 rounds on Bill Drills! Eek


Average round count for that day was actually closer to 1200. Each one left the barrel with a purpose........


I apologize. Jerry Drills. Wink


Damn. I can't wait for 2017. Cool
 
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Just curious. Anyone experience gun problems in all those rounds?


Malfunctions were few and far between. A few were traced to specific magazines, and one Glock had some light primer strike issues. Not sure if it was hard primers, or what. Some fiber optic rods fell out here and there. There may have been a few others, but those are really the only ones that come to mind.

Last year, the only gun to go down hard was a HK MK23.

Prior to '17, I am going to include in the brief about nightly maintenance, if you don't want to clean them, so be it, but add lube.

A lot of the guys found the hazards of really aggressive stippling. Smile


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No please. Not another Bill Drill.....


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A lot of the guys found the hazards of really aggressive stippling. Smile


You don't say?


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A lot of the guys found the hazards of really aggressive stippling. Smile


You don't say?


Poor computer guy had band-aids everywhere . . . .lol





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Malfunctions were few and far between. A few were traced to specific magazines, and one Glock had some light primer strike issues. Not sure if it was hard primers, or what. Some fiber optic rods fell out here and there. There may have been a few others, but those are really the only ones that come to mind.

Last year, the only gun to go down hard was a HK MK23.

Prior to '17, I am going to include in the brief about nightly maintenance, if you don't want to clean them, so be it, but add lube.

A lot of the guys found the hazards of really aggressive stippling. Smile


Jerry-

Did anyone run a red dot sight on their pistol? If so, how did it work out?
 
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Did anyone run a red dot sight on their pistol? If so, how did it work out?


No red dots for any of the students.

Bruce has a SIG Romeo1 on his P320 test-bed gun, but it was not shot extensively during the week. In general, Bruce has said that gun with the Romeo1 has held up very well since the USPSA Carry Optics Nationals match he shot this summer.


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A lot of the guys found the hazards of really aggressive stippling. Smile


You don't say?


Poor computer guy had band-aids everywhere . . . .lol


One more blister to break up... Shoveling wet slush around here has not helped...


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Yes. Several double feeds, a couple of stovepipes, and a slide locked closed. It had to be forced open, turned out to be a reload (mine) with a bit of excess crimp.

Otherwise, each magazine had at least one inert training cartridge ("dummy round") or snap-cap. With all the rapid-fire drills, the snap-caps quickly revealed flinching, anticipation, diving the muzzle, etc, and provided a constant opportunity for clearance drills.

The "light primer strikes" on some reloads were high primers.

A couple of shooters used Winchester steel case ammunition. One instructor had sintered frangible ammunition.

I took a mixture of some factory and mostly reloads, using plated and coated lead. Just two issues, both my fault with the ammmunition. The stovepipes were me, too, usually not cycling the slide briskly after a failure to fire.

Otherwise, the firearms (almost all Sigs, a mixture of P226's, Legions, and P320's, and three Glock G19's worked just as advertised.
 
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My compensated Glock 19c got pretty sticky, about halfway through. The slide was sticking to the barrel hood, at slide lock. A quick wipe down, some grease, and a new recoil spring assy (the old one was several thousand rounds past scheduled replacement) and no further issues.

Bruce



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My compensated Glock 19c got pretty sticky, about halfway through. The slide was sticking to the barrel hood, at slide lock. A quick wipe down, some grease, and a new recoil spring assy (the old one was several thousand rounds past scheduled replacement) and no further issues.

Bruce


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The front sight was FILTHY! A quick wipe with a finger, every couple of hundred rounds and you could see that there was a tritium insert. No biggie.

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No gun problems at all for me. Mine were all shooter brain problems, but I did start every day with the P226 cleaned and lubed.

This was definitely drinking from a firehose, even having been to MOAC 2015. If you are coming in 2017, bring a spare pistol, a good cleaning kit, something to take notes with, and an open (and well-rested) mind. You will be learning a lot and grooving it in. Bring a quality pistol and take care of it and it is unlikely to give you any trouble. I'd still bring a spare though so you don't miss anything if your primary does go down...
 
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Just curious. Anyone experience gun problems in all those rounds?

No gun problems at all for me. Mine were all shooter brain problems, but I did start every day with the P226 cleaned and lubed.

This was definitely drinking from a firehose, even having been to MOAC 2015. If you are coming in 2017, bring a spare pistol, a good cleaning kit, something to take notes with, and an open (and well-rested) mind. You will be learning a lot and grooving it in. Bring a quality pistol and take care of it and it is unlikely to give you any trouble. I'd still bring a spare though so you don't miss anything if your primary does go down...


Sounds like good advice. I am pumped for the 2017 class. It's an easy drive so I will bring 3 or 4 pistols just in case. Can't wait ! Any advice on drills to practice between now and then to help make the learning go smoother ?
 
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Shot a P30L for the week - started clean, basic cleaning and grease mid-week, and added a little grease thursday morning. Zero malfunctions.



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Sounds like good advice. I am pumped for the 2017 class. It's an easy drive so I will bring 3 or 4 pistols just in case. Can't wait ! Any advice on drills to practice between now and then to help make the learning go smoother ?


If you have the ability to take - or if you have already taken - our flagship two-day Practical Fundamentals class, you'll start ahead of the curve compared to even experienced shooters who have not taken the class.

Most important would be solid and safe gun handling skills on the line ... loading, unloading, drawing and re-holstering.

For the class, the prerequisites are important as noted in the course description are important.

We do not send out drills to practice prior to any of our courses, as they are based on the skills and drills students learn in the Practical Fundamentals class ... hence the suggestion to have that course in your background.


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