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If I'm RO'ing or SO'ing you, that's my hint that you totally blew past some targets and didn't shoot them.
At least I am a nice enough guy to give you a hint. In USPSA, that's two mikes and a Failure to Engage procedural penalty. In IDPA, that's a -10 target points (5 seconds added onto your time) and a Failure to Neutralize. Yeah... OUCH!  If you don't catch the hint in time, that's your problem. Don't piss and moan to me because you didn't count up all the targets while you did your walk through and/or air gunned the stage... AND!!! AND!!! You didn't read the hard copy of the CoF description and the stage diagram. NO! You do NOT get a reshoot that counts for score. I have my own personal sense of integrity which prohibits me from cheating and letting you cheat on my watch, or if you're in my squad. So don't even ask for a reshoot.  Better yet don't piss and moan to the Match Director about my officiating and ask him for a reshoot either. That just pisses me off.  Okay... okay... rant off.... I feel better now...  PS: This is where I went to school for four years:  __________________________ What? You haven't seen my PoserCam action pistol and 3 gun competition first person point of view vids yet? Just click this, 'kay? http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=posercam M1A1 Abrams Tank, F-22 Raptor, Plasma Rifle in the 40 Megawatt range... Seriously, I got all that :-P |
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Yea, but all that long hair and bean bag chairs in your rooms is sure to lower the bar a bit right?  ___________________________________________________________________ Prayer of The Citadel Give me a boy, Oh God, who is willing to learn the true value of honor, the necessity of perseverance and loyalty, and the meaningfulness of devotion to God and country. And I shall take this boy as does a blacksmith take a crude piece of metal, and place him over a forge whose liberating flame of education is fired by the bellows of strict military discipline. Into this ingot of a man I shall temper self-respect and self-discipline, fear of God and respect for mankind, appreciation of freedom and awareness of what sacrifices must be made to preserve freedom, and above all an insatiable desire for truth and honesty. And when all these things I have done, I shall brand my finished work with a ring of gold to let all of humanity know that I have given back to the world a ...Citadel Man. |
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Runnin' home to some small Ohio town |
Same here Chills. When I'm RO'ing, they get the very implied IFFF you are finished. Don't piss and moan.
I ran our match director at last months match and he dropped his gun ...twice upon reholstering.I had to think really hard about DQ, but he was clear so no DQ. __________________________ __________________________ |
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If you blew by the targets it is probably to late to make it up in any meaningful way.
I am not a gunsmith nor do I play one on TV |
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He should have been DQ'd. Does not matter if the gun is loaded or unloaded during the course of fire. The CoF starts with Make Ready and ends with Range is Clear. |
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Runnin' home to some small Ohio town |
I'll be back....
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Runnin' home to some small Ohio town |
...I'm back
 He had already reholstered and the RIC command was given. It was a new, Limited-type holster and it just fell out. Note the last sentence. 10.5.14 Retrieving a dropped handgun. Dropped handguns must always be retrieved by a Range Officer who will, after checking and/or clearing the handgun, place it directly into the competitor’s gun case, gun bag or holster. Dropping an unloaded handgun or causing it to fall outside of a course of fire is not an infraction, however, a competitor who retrieves a dropped handgun will receive a match disqualification __________________________ __________________________ |
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I love IDPA and try to shoot at least once a month, but there have always been some rules that I'm less than pleased with. One of which being that a walk through is allowed.
On one hand I guess its impossible to keep everyone from seeing the stage prior to shooting, so a walkthrough puts everyone on an equal footing as far as that goes. On the other, its the International Defensive Pistol Association. I'm unaware of any real world defensive scenario that allows for a walk through first. Certainly *with* a walkthrough (or even without one), if you completely miss some targets, its got to be your problem. |
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If Range is Clear has been given, the CoF has been completed and the competitor may drop an unloaded pistol without being DQ'd. So long as they themselves don't retrieve the pistol. |
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I'm unaware of any real world defensive scenario that starts with "Standby...Beep!" and finishes wiht a score. IDPA is a game, with rules, penalties, and scores. |
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The problem with blind stages is people aren't deaf.
If you're waiting on your turn to shoot the stage and you can still kinda hear: "Are you ready?" "Standby" BEEP! and then it's BLAM! BLAM! shuffle of feet... shuffle ...shuffle... BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!BLAM! BLAM!BLAM! then you just figured out it is one target, some movement, and then three targets in another array. The logistics of pulling off a blind stage is trickey. What if there is a prop malfunction and the guy gets to shoot it again? Then it really isn't blind anymore. The other guys who are waiting to shoot can't help you paste and reset targets either, so that slows things down. __________________________ What? You haven't seen my PoserCam action pistol and 3 gun competition first person point of view vids yet? Just click this, 'kay? http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=posercam M1A1 Abrams Tank, F-22 Raptor, Plasma Rifle in the 40 Megawatt range... Seriously, I got all that :-P |
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The One, the Only Mighty Paragon |
^^ 'Sall right. I find blind stages terrifying.
I'd never turn down the chance to shoot one, but I could always hear my heart thumping quite clearly. P232, P239 in 9mm, P220ST in Black, Rem 870 Wingmaster, Rem 1100 in 12 ga., Romanian AK in .223, Winchester 94 in 30-30 |
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Good points.
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To eliminate that problem, one could rearrange the target after each stage. Preferrably you can take out or add a new target, but that will mess with scoring, so it has to be a fixed number. You can let the shooter know well in advance that there will be certain number of targets. After that shooter is done, next shooter stays in staging area with his back to the shooting area. When all are taped and raedy to go, it should be fun.
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QUOTE- To eliminate that problem, one could rearrange the target after each stage.
In a training scenerio, that is a good way to do it. However, in USPSA or IDPA, some competitors will no doubt complain that targets arranged in a certain order will be easier and faster to engage than in a different order. So each competitor doesn't have the same advantage/disadvantage on the course. Three targets in a row would be easier and faster than three targets spread out or split by no shoots or hard cover. It has to be the same exact course for everyone, even if they don't shoot it exactly the same. I have shot IDPA matches that change the non-threat radio or hands to a different target. Great idea for training but wrong for scored competition. Craig |
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I have a well developed talent for blowing by targets with no consideration for them whatsoever.
Now I know why the RO was saying IFFFFFFFFFFFF on those occasions. |
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Runnin' home to some small Ohio town |
Hell, I ran the same COF with my 226 first and then with my 1911. Cleaned up with the SiG, bombed the SS.
My move positions didn't change but my reload points did. I had (3) FTE's and (6) Mikes Talk about tank! Even after running the same freakin' COF with the SiG  BTW Chills, I'm gonna start wearing my "Whiner" LeBoob James (Papa Johns) shirt at matches when I RO  __________________________ __________________________ |
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STUGOTSIG wrote:
Huh?  Whatchya-talkin-bout-Willis? Do you have a picture you could post? __________________________ What? You haven't seen my PoserCam action pistol and 3 gun competition first person point of view vids yet? Just click this, 'kay? http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=posercam M1A1 Abrams Tank, F-22 Raptor, Plasma Rifle in the 40 Megawatt range... Seriously, I got all that :-P |
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Runnin' home to some small Ohio town |
 I've pissed more than a few people off wearing it around where I live. __________________________ __________________________ |
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Even though it's nice to try and "help" the shooter, in a bigger match you're potentially setting you up for problems. If you don't RO the stage the whole match and other shooters forget a target, but don't get the help from the RO, they _should_ get a reshoot on that stage. Shooters forgetting targets on other stages and not getting help might also get re-shoots on those stages. It's a game and there will be gamers taking advantage of it... |
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