Personally I’m happy with my M17 even though it’s not the “real deal” but I’m sure some collectors might love one.
THE REAL DEAL
SIG SAUER is offering an extremely limited number of authentic M17s originally issued by the U.S. Army and fielded during the initial domestic and in-theater deployment of the Modular Handgun System. These unique, one-of-a-kind firearms feature the original coyote controls, the original government-issue markings and serial numbers, along with the U.S. Army specified front and rear sights. As these were fielded by the U.S. Army their condition will vary, making each one uniquely different, and making this truly an opportunity to own a piece of history.
The M17 Surplus handgun is a 9mm, striker-fired, P320-based handgun platform, featuring a coyote-tan PVD coated stainless steel slide, coyote-tan controls, a coyote-tan medium carry grip module, with the U.S. Government slide markings and serial numbers. The handguns are equipped with SIGLITE sights (orange rear & green front), removable night sight rear plates, and the same optic cut as specified by the MHS contract, ready to fit a SIG SAUER Electro-Optics ROMEO1Pro Optic. The M17 features an ambidextrous manual safety, ships with (1) 17-round and (2) 21-round magazines, includes an official SIG SAUER M17 Certificate of Authenticity, and comes packed just as the handguns are delivered to the U.S. Military.
*The M17 Surplus comes with our “Certified Pre-owned Pistols” warranty. For more information please visit our warranty page.
It's an interesting marketing gimmick to label these as "surplus" when they're really T&E guns, which IMHO is a more desirable description. The army does not really have surplus M17s when they're still in the process of acquiring a sufficient quantity to issue.
Wonder how many of these will be available and how much they'll cost. My best wild guess is that these will go for $2500 or more if the quantity is low.
Originally posted by Pale Horse: I just don’t understand why Sig can’t just build one M17 instead of building three or four different guns and calling them all the same thing.
I have to admit that kind of threw me a little while back. SIG can't use the same lubricating and anticorrosion treatment on civilian market pistols, but the Snoopy (tan 320FS with black controls including a thumb safety) is almost the same thing so they might as well market it as the M17. The Bravo? Well, it's all black and its not just called the M17, it's the M17 Bravo. There's really no reason to not market the Bravo as (a type of) M17 since the only difference between the Bravo and the Snoopy is the color of the frame and slide.
That's when CDNN got me. They started advertising M17s at fairly cheap prices at one point, but when I went to the site I couldn't find an M17 anywhere. It turns out that CDNN seems to have decided that a tan 320FS with tan controls and no thumb safety is practically the same thing as an M17, so...
I think it might not have hurt if SIG had asked vendors to either use a modifier like "Bravo" or simply call the pistol they're selling a tan P320FS. OTOH people will probably get used to calling the civilian version "the M17" just because relatively few of us are in the military and have access to the M17 as issued.
As for the surplus, well, I like surplus - and that would be a really neat piece of surplus to have.
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Originally posted by Fredward: My guess is the government pays <200 bucks apiece for M17's. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
The numbers haven't been officially released. But it's an estimated ~$200 for each pistol itself.
However, that $200 estimate does not including the additional cost for each complete unit (apparently including spare parts, accessories, technical data, training, logistics, etc.), which reportedly raises the per-unit cost by another several hundred dollars apiece, for a total estimated per-unit cost to the military of ~$600 each.
Jesus, Sig will sell anything that's not bolted to the floor won't they? Every week they are coming out with a newer, more superer, even more commemorative-y, version of this plastic pistol. Fools and their money.....