Lately I’ve had a bug to pick up a nice 1911 in 9mm but I’m starting to think I should consider a Swiss P210. Is there a consensus on the board as to which is better? Just curious.
Technically, the P210 was two generations ahead of the Goverment model. It´s barrel locking mechanism is stiff and does not rely on the precison of a barrel bushing or a barrel link. Accuracy is better for that reason. The sear in a P210 has a transfer ratio which can be adjusted very precisely. While you have to take what you get when you are tuning the Goverment trigger, the P210 trigger can be adjusted to personal preferences.
Both of these advantages of the P210 can be experienced when both pistols are shot beyond 15 yds. The only advantage the Government model has over the P210 is speed. It´s safety is faster. So is a magazine change.
The debate between Swiss or German made quality and accuracy is irrational and based on owneship pride. Nobody ever came up with a rational explanation why one was better then the other but with non saying worlds like "different quality"...whatever that means.
If one wants to have the advantages of the Goverment model in a P210 the Legend would be my choice. If it´s only between the two, the P210, probably the Legende would always be my prefered choice.
Better for what?
Out of the box, the Switzer will be more accurate and likely more reliable.
But, it has lower magazine capacity and less ergonomic controls. Also bites the hand of some who feed it.
How many NRA, USPSA, or IDPA shooters do you see campaigning a P210?
A nice 9mm 1911, of course.
trigger, trigger, trigger.
I’d choose a P210, but a P210A (current production) rather than a Swiss P210.
It’ll be interesting to see what Robert Burke can do with the P210A trigger. He did a superb job on the trigger of my X5 Comp.
Depends on what you are calling a nice 1911. Ruger? Springfield? Kimber? SVI?
How difficult would it be to obtain replacement parts if something breaks or you want extra mags?
My other Sig is a Steyr...
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1911 if it is also going to be carried.
P210 if it is a range gun only.
Just my humble opinion.
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I own a Swiss P210-6 and an Ed Brown 1911 in 9mm. For me the P210 is more comfortable, a better shooter, and has a better trigger.
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LVJD, I honestly don't think there is a "better". I enjoy both, and think it comes down to which fits a person better, and the intended use. For most uses, I prefer the 1911 type. But for a recreational/fun gun at the range, exhibiting an excellent trigger, splendid accuracy and boring reliability without any tinkering, tuning, polishing or adjusting,the 210s are worthy of serious consideration IMHO. The 210s were designed as military pistol,and could certainly be called upon to perform in more serious roles, than range plinker or target pistol, according to the needs or desire of the owner. I don't think the 210 would let a person down in whatever role it was assigned, but I suspect most shooters now days might prefer something else as a general use SD/HD/Duty/carry/competition, etc. pistol....ymmv
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OK, I’ll throw a wrench in the works - have you handled and shot a Browning Hipower? Specifically any of the FN made pieces? I think mine is Belgian made and built in Portugal. Parkerized, so not really concerned with extra careful handling to protect the finish.
Sweet piece, nice size, 9mm, 13 in the mag.
Robert doesn't work on P210s.
I didn’t know that Robert doesn't work on P210s. Thanks for that info. A Sig that TheSigArmorer doesn’t work on…
What are you using it for?
Which 1911? I'd say if you're comparing like to like.....such as a 210 to a Ed Brown or similar, it's going to come down to how the gun fits you/feel.....don't forget the high dollar S+W 952 I think it was they made which also was a very accurate pistol.
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I've never had a 1911 that I felt I would keep forever and never part with. And I've had Dan Wesson, Colt, and Springfield. We're not talking about Philippine made guns here.
After watching my brother try and fail to get a few up-market 9mm 1911s functioning, I wouldn't give a warm cup of piss for any of them.
A P210 however, now that gets my blood going.
Here's the rub. With a P210, you are getting a service pistol that was specifically tuned to run the 9mm Luger round. With a 1911, you are getting a somewhat finicky service pistol that was made to run the .45, and then re-tuned to run the 9mm.
For 9mm, I'd definitely go with the 210. For .45 however, I'd go with an all metal single stack platform that was built to run it accurately and reliably . . . . . like the P220.
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Tough one. For most purposes I'd not hesitate to choose a Swiss P210 over most premium 1911s. However I do covet the fit, finish and superb quality of Bill Wilson's creations and if I were choosing a defensive carry gun out of the two (HAH! Fat chance for this thumb-safety averse Glock guy) I'd pick a 1911, specifically WC's EDC X9. Another one of those was transferred in by a customer recently and I must say that I certainly would like to have one of those...someday.
So the question was a P210 or a 1911? I've never seen a "not nice" P210. I've seen way too many not nice 1911. Just due to probability, there are some not so nice P210s around. I don't know where, but maybe back in their country of origin. Remember, all 1911s aren't the quality of the 1911s we see from the custom makers. Like nearly all the issued ones. Not a fair test.
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Um...a Swiss P210 or a nice 1911. What's so unfair about that? Especially considering what the asking price for a obviously used (but not beat) Swiss P210 is these days. You can definitely buy a new Baer or Ed Brown for that kind of money. Or even a base EDC X9 without adds, depending how greedy the seller is.
You stumped me with this question. I really like nice 1911's in 9mm due to arthritis. But, I also own a legend and find it flawless. I shoot a Brown Executive Elite and a Baer long slide PPC in 9mm. I am no help to you though because I can't pick which I like best. The Les Baer is well broken in now and may just be the smoothest pistol I have ever used.
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