PASig: which ammo do you use with yours?

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Originally posted by vthoky:
PASig: which ammo do you use with yours?

Magtech seemed to work well for the first 150 rounds.

The magazine was dropping with WWB and Remington UMC, but I don't think it was the ammo, but the gun.

Looks like I've got to either a) find some Magtech, b) get hold of Ruger again, or c) both.

IMO, the Ruger LCP is a classic example of "if it sounds too good to be true - it probably isn't true". If the LCP was a quality firearm, I doubt that it would have an MSRP of $330. Given the fact that concealed carry firearms are an exercise in balancing compromises, I think the NAA Guardian 380acp is a much better choice for those who desire a pocket gun in this caliber. Although 10oz heavier than the LCP, its dimensions are comparable, it has a reputation for reliability, and NAA offers excellent customer service. The MSRP of the Guardian is, however, $449.00. I think the extra $119 is money well spent.

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Originally posted by vthoky:
New product launches have their quirks and issues -- I understand that, as that's part of what I do for a living. This time it happened to Ruger; next time it may happen to someone else. I'm not uptight about it -- sure, I wish it hadn't happened, but I'm not the sort to get bent too far out of shape over it.
I'm a little impatient, I'm sure -- I spent the dollars and right now I have nothing to show for it. However, Ruger customer service has done a good job for me before, and I predict they'll come through for me again.

Perhaps it's just me, but I kinda think that Ruger should have sorted out the kinks before they shipped a firearm that is obviously intended for concealed carry personal defense.

I had been thinking ... either the Ruger LCP or the Taurus Millennium in 9mm ... I think I'll go with the Taurus 9mm.

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Originally posted by Morning Sun:
I had been thinking ... either the Ruger LCP or the Taurus Millennium in 9mm ... I think I'll go with the Taurus 9mm.

Try the trigger pull on the Millenium first, and more than just once. I looked at the Taurus, but was unhappy with the trigger pull.

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Originally posted by CharlestonSigP220:
Perhaps it's just me, but I kinda think that Ruger should have sorted out the kinks before they shipped a firearm that is obviously intended for concealed carry personal defense.

Can't argue with you there. As an engineer, I know things go funky during product launches. As a consumer, I expect the engineers to prevent things from going funky.

Same story with my flawed 10/22: as a consumer, it sucked that I put so much time into making a brand-new gun work right. As an engineer, it was pretty cool experience that I would not have ordinarily gotten.

All in all, the consumer side should have the greater influence, and it's the responsibility of the manufacturer to "get it right" prior to market time.

Unfortunately for Ruger, this is two "problem launches" in series -- the SR9 and the LCP. Fortunately for them, their customer service is quite good (IMO).

If this doesn't come together soon, I'll be tempted to trade it for the used P230 at my dealer's shop.

So I called Ruger today... the lady there said she has heard reports of trouble with Remington and Cor-Bon ammunition. She went on to say that Hydra-shoks are okay, but to beware of the aluminum casings. And, answering my question, she believes they're using Black Hills 95-grain on their range.

Off to find some Black Hills ammo!

Meanwhile, I gave the remainder of my Remington UMC to one of my colleagues who also has an LCP. We'll see how his performs with it.

The lady at Ruger was very pleasant, and told me to try both (new ammo for mine, and my ammo for my colleague's LCP) and to call again if there were any further troubles. Can't complain about that!

I only fired 10 magazines from mine , but WWB and Gold Dot worked great .

Thanks, Guy. I'm off to buy more ammo this weekend....

I gave the rest of my UMC to the fella at work yesterday. He told me today that it ran fine through his LCP.

I'm not sure if anyone else is having a problem with light primer strikes, I noticed my has had problems, after pulling the trigger for the 1st round, long trigger pull, it fires fine. When I let the trigger out to the reset, about half the trigger pull, I have the light primer strikes. My friend also has a LCP and has no problems with his. I contact Ruger, this is the email they sent me:

Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form. This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 08/14/2008 Request No: 8341 Comment / question: Hello, first, I want to say I love my little Ruger LCP, But I am having an issue with it. I am getting light primer strikes with different types of ammo. Response: Are you letting the trigger return fully forward after each shot? The trigger must be allowed to travel fully forward for the hammer to get a full strike. If this is not the case, there are 3 types of ammunition we have found that will not chamber fully into the LCP. they are: Remington 88gr FMJ, Cor-Bon 90gr JHP and Speer Lawman 95gr TMJ. The length and configuration of the projectile are such that the bullet comes in contact with the rifling before the round can fully chamber. This could cause a cushioning affect that can cause misfires also. We chamber our LCP to SAAMI specifications. We have however decided to lengthen the throats on our new production barrels to accommodate these rounds. At your convenience, call Customer Service in Prescott Arizona (928/778-6555, and we will be happy to help with this issue. We may have to make arrangements to ship your pistol back for repair. If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at: Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol: (603) 865-2442Pistols: (928) 778-6555Serial Number History Information: (603) 865-2424 Please note: This e-mail is sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message. Sincerely,Ruger Firearms

I just wanted to follow up on this post after repairs from Ruger.
I got the LCP back after about 4 weeks.
I took it to the range to see how well it functioned.
I used 3 boxes of various cheapo ball 380 - as I figured it should eat anything it is fed.

They did some work to the barrel (not sure what), and replaced the extractor.

After 150 rounds, not a single FTF, jam or stovepipe - nothing. It worked flawlessly. The funny thing is, all three shooters that went with me are now considering buying a LCP.
In spite of the problems prior, my faith in the little pistol is now restored and I am a happy camper and will be keeping the little LCP.

Just wanted to update everyone who is considering getting one. The only thing is it cost me 25.00 for the shipping.

Ruger should make good on the cost of shipping. They could hook up with an ammo manufacturer and offer a coupon for some free rounds. IMO, you should never have to pay shipping for a manufacturer's problem. It should not have left the factory having the problem.

150 rounds with no malfunctions - I've got 3 magazines and the all seem to work great... I think the majority of the problems were in there initial productions weapons... but who knows? I wish SIG made something this small, I'd gladly pay twice what I paid on the LCP... but then again new SIGs have reliability problems of their own lately... where have all the good guns gone??? Mid-90's P220 will get it done any day - I just wish it was a little smaller...

Another thing to consider (IMO) is that this pistol is meant to be used for personal defense - it isn't meant to eat every POS type of ammo that you can feed it - it isn't meant to be shot hundreds of times without being cleaned. If you find some ammo that works well (Magtech 95 gr FMJ and Remington 102gr JHP for me), keep using it. Shoot your LCP so you remain skilled in doing so, but don't try to roar through 500 rounds of bargain bin ammo in one sitting (at least without cleaning it at some interval). I put 50 rounds a sitting through mine, then clean it and prep it for carry immediately afterward.

If you want something that was made to do more, go buy a Glock 28 when it comes out - but it is going to over an inch longer, a 1/2 inch taller, and almost 1/2 an inch wider - in addition to being twice the weight. Or wait for the Kahr, but from my investigation Kahr's aren't always trouble free from the start.

Now I totally agree if there are material and QC problems with your LCP that it should be fixed free of charge and that a NIB pistol should not have those issues. Hopefully Ruger has worked through the issues so that future owners will get a 100% pistol out of the box...

Vthoky, Sorry to hear of your probs w/ the LCP. Ruger will make it right, just a matter of time. BTW, have you looked into a Walther PPS. They are the smallest, flatest QUALITY small auto pistol extant. Of course there is the Rohrbaugh, but realistically unafordable. Course the Walther ain't cheap either, but it's do-able. I bought a first edition PPS earlier in the year and loved it. Sold it only because Walther used "paint" on the frame for the "Anthracite" look. Started to peel, so I sold it and purchased a black Frame PPS when they became availiable. WOW, what a neat pistol, full 9mm, flat, light, corrosion resistant(Melonite on the slide), pretty compact, and a dream to shoot. Not quite a small as a LCP but almost. Go look and see what you think. My PPS knocked my S&W 642 out as my BUG.
Stay safe, Officer JR