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The reason I bring up Gen 5 Glocks, is the same vein as the P30, as in it is in essence a USP 3.0. The lifespan of these pistol designs is quite long, over time they change and evolve. Sometimes this evolution is minor design changes to a current model, sometimes it is developed into a separate model. Successes are built on, what doesn't work fades. Some companies simply slowly change a successful design over time. Some companies produce wholly new pistols. Did SIG wade out to far in design? Did they choose inappropriate materials? Did they release these pistols too soon? Did they test it enough? We can speculate about all kinds of things. Were they doing something new and different, or building on their platform with decades of performance? The P22x series pistols are changing slowly, things are being left behind, many here would lament the phasing out of certain models. SIG is also doing new things, there have been some issues, but this isn't actually some sort of anomaly in the firearms industry. These things do happen, and the company either corrects them and moves forward, or the design gets shelved. Some companies manage to quietly change even major problems, some don't get that luxury. I'd say it would be awfully presumptuous to decide for SIG when and how fast it should innovate, and why it makes the choices it does. There is too much we don't know and won't know. I'm certain they're highly motivated to sort out their new pistol designs. Dollars will do that. Arc. ______________________________ "Like a bitter weed, I'm a bad seed"- Johnny Cash "I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel." - Pee Wee Herman Rode hard, put away wet. RIP JHM "You're a junkyard dog." - Lupe Flores. RIP | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr.  |
Hey, As for me, I have a hard time keeping anything as it is. From converting a Glock 21 to .38 Super, importing pistols from overseas, or drawing blueprints to take to a machine shop to scratch build parts for a 1911 just because it hasn't been made before. Yeah, its that bad. I bought a Desert Eagle many years ago and have changed it constantly. It worked just fine when I bought it, but somehow I thought 'what if'... This let me realize I don't need to buy an AR-15 or a 9mm Glock.  As far as the Sig P220 goes, I usually add a fat guide rod, short reset trigger kit, and checkered aluminum grips (I prefer aluminum over G10, most everyone else is G10 all the way) to them. It is more of a personal preference than anything else. I'm not really into having a rail on all of the newer models, some are. Some prefer a folded steel slide more than a stainless slide. I don't think you'd have to worry about getting attacked for your perspective here. This forum is mostly self regulated and well run. I may have some knowledge about the P220, but know peanuts about the Beretta 92 and don't know why anyone would buy such a thing. The Beretta 92 owner would say I'm nuts for owning more than one Desert Eagle. I can respect that. I hope you enjoy this forum, we are glad you are here. | |||
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Thank you. If you look in the dictionary under "mechanical" you will find my picture - in a circle - with a very dark X over the picture. NOT to say I can't shoot because I can with confidence & competence. But tools are not my forte (not "fortay" for you 40 fans) and why I place such a very high priority on quality and trusted dependability in my handguns. Be sure to thank a veteran today!!!!! | |||
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Google any problems with VP9, P30. | |||
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| addicted to trailing-throttle oversteer |
Discounting the fallacy of the perfect or right gun for everyone, the G43 perhaps? There are the subjective complaints like the heaviness of the trigger break or snappiness of its recoil. Or whether 6 plus 1 is really enough. But there's been very little if any griping about real functional problems with the gun, unlike the G42 went through with its notorious 'break-in' period for some of the 380s. About as GTG as I can ever remember. | |||
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Big differnce bewtween refining and fixing. The USP was right form the get go, at the time. It refined over time to enhance its usabilty. Guns like the 365,320,MPX,MCX,556R, P290, P938 needed to be fixed almost immediately. ________________________________ | |||
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Yep, cosmetic refining is NOT the same as mechanical fixing. Btw, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the USP, even cosmetically. There are many people, me included, who prefer the USP to later HK polymer offerings. I take the USP Compact over the HK 2000 any days. Q | |||
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I'll take the gold brick pony... platinum is barely worth more than 14K gold... but of course a pawnshop guy would know this. LOL | |||
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| Grab SKS, go innawoods  |
What's your reasoning on this? My next handgun will either be a USPc9 or a P2000 9mm. I lean a little bit toward the P2000 because it appears remarkably similar to my HK45C that I love. I've shot the USPc9 and loved it, and figure the P2000 would feel about identical to the USPc. EDIT: Sorry for the thread drift. On topic, HK DID get it right the first time, numerous times. Mk23 or USP, MP5, PSG-1. IMO it's silly to disregard the constant, blatant fuck-ups coming out of nu-Sig. I've loved all the older Sigs I've owned. Nu-Sig's recent streak of non-drop safe, break-within-500rd guns is bordering on Taurus levels of QC. | |||
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The USPc looks just perfect to me, the way it is. I don't care for the cosmetic refinements in the P2000. Even the interchangeable backstraps do nothing for me, because I like the USPc gripping surface. Since you like the HK45c, for sure you will like the 2000 more. Not me. Q | |||
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This. I broke my own rule of no new Sig stuff and picked up a p210 and a Rattler. My reasoning was they probably couldn't fuck up the 210 and the MCX has been out long enough with the beta testers (public) that it should be pretty ironed out. "Pickin' stones and pullin' teats is a hard way to make a living. But, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fightin' dudes with treasure trails." "We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled." | |||
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I would have just been happy with not ruining a perfectly good pistol with an "upgrade". ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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If Glock is any indicator, it seems the upgrades are simply going back to the original design, Gen1/Gen5. I actually thought the Gen4 was the best of the bunch but I dont mind finger grooves. In regards to Sigs, The only thing I didnt mind changing on the P series was the stainless slides. They can keep the beavertials, long extractors, PVD finishes, MIM parts....and rails on the midsize Sigs. ________________________________ | |||
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Uhhh, most of them. Using the customer to beta test is a fairly new thing. You'd get refinements and changes due to new technology, but the designs of the guns were sound. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Ah, yes, but even when the design is good there may be something lacking in the execution. And the design hasn't always been good (early Colt DA revolvers, anyone?). | |||
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I don't think there's any question that SIG's QC could use a tweak, and I do think they have let consumers beta test the 365 which is not cool. I will say, that every SIG I own, and they are all made in the last 5 years has functioned perfectly without a single malfunction of any kind with the exception of my 320x5, which needed a break in, and now runs anything. I have a total of 9 SIG's, 2 are x5's from Germany, 2 320x5's, 1 229 and 4 226's and they are accurate, great shooters that I would trust my life to. I just wish they would get their quality control together a little bit better. I do, however, have 12 Hk's  p229Extreme/P226Tac-Ops/P226 Extreme/P226 SAO) P226 X-5 Blue Moon/P226 X-5 Black and White | |||
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A brand new pistol, made out of Unicorn Farts, perfect for every shooter, and is perfect from the get-go??? Or maybe SIG could just get us some . . . . . . DAMN MAGAZINES ! ! ! | |||
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