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Has anyone else heard this stuff about the traditional DA/SA hammer fired pistols being done? I had and thought that it was horsesh*t until I talked to a buddy of mine who is an LEO and armorer for a fairly large city and he said the future was striker fired polymer pistols, 1911s and some niche stuff. Maybe I'll check out the 320. Have to sell some Sigs to do it.
 
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Originally posted by andronicus:Have to sell some Sigs to do it.

Better hurry, as they will soon be worth nothing!
 
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One of them is a German 228 with the original case. I'm not worried.
 
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Originally posted by andronicus:Have to sell some Sigs to do it.

Better hurry, as they will soon be worth nothing!

I agree. Sell! Sell! Sell!






 
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One of them is a German 228 with the original case. I'm not worried.


Haven't you heard the 228 isn't worth anything? Infact 12131 gives them away! Razz Razz Razz
 
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Well, I can wait.
 
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Well, I wouldn't take the word of just one person, even if they are in a respectable position or in the industry. No offense to either you or your friend, of course.

And in reality he may well be right in the sense that the future is indeed striker fired polymer pistols. However, a brief glance back in history shows that we're still shooting revolvers now...so if someone alive in the year 1911 or so in the USA said that revolvers were done and the future was singe-action semi-autos...

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It's unfortunate the folks at Sarsilmaz did not consult with your LE/armorer friend. They would have save a lot of time and money. It may be more of a manufacturing consideration for a paricular platform ( Glock v. CZ). We will see when the French SP2022 contract runs out if SIG can sell them on the P320 or if they go with a European (hammer-fired) source.

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I don't think that DA/SA are "done", but it's about 20 years too late to say that the "future" is striker fired polymer. The stats are probably out there, but my wild guess would be about 90% of the market being polymer striker fired pistols. Probably has been that way or close to it for 10 years.

Anybody have actual numbers?
 
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I don't think that DA/SA are "done", but it's about 20 years too late to say that the "future" is striker fired polymer. The stats are probably out there, but my wild guess would be about 90% of the market being polymer striker fired pistols. Probably has been that way or close to it for 10 years.

Anybody have actual numbers?


If we are talking matches it's usually 5-10% shooting DA/SA. I usually 1-5 of of the field shooting an DA/SA. Usually 1-2 CZ, SIG or 92's shooting. I like shooting what I'd carry, so I'm fine being called a dinosaur.

Not "actual" numbers, but good enough for my back of the napkin math.



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Strictly from my perspective as a consumer in middle America who has been enjoying the shooting sports since the late 1990s I can say that other shooters have been making this claim for two decades but companies keep making, and selling, metal framed DA/SA pistols and introducing new models, too.

That said, Smith & Wesson isn't even making hammer fired metal framed semi-auto pistols any longer and other companies seem to be following suit. Ruger has moved to striker-fired plastic-fantastics while Beretta and CZ have both introduced models following this same pattern.

Does this mean traditional DA/SA pistols will vanish from manufacturer catalogs? Nope, companies will 'make a seat for every butt'. Plus, most fads are circular and eventually will come around back to DA/SA pistols like the eventual re-re-introduction of bell-bottom jeans and denim jackets. In fact, some YouTube firearms channels are already singing the praise of hammer fired pistols for safe concealed carry to protect against the 'Glock Leg Syndrome'.
 
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In fact, some YouTube firearms channels are already singing the praise of hammer fired pistols for safe concealed carry to protect against the 'Glock Leg Syndrome'.

One of the primary reasons I carry a P226 DA/SA.




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Has anyone else heard this stuff about the traditional DA/SA hammer fired pistols being done?
Certainly it's true. Along with other handgun related things that are "done" because they're not common in LE, like revolvers, 10mm, .38 Super, etc, etc. The .40 S&W is sure to follow.
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A reasonably good quality polymer striker fired gun can be made for much less money than a metal framed one. They are normally lighter too.

Quality metal guns will hold their value better and will be much more expensive to manufacture. Metal vs plastic is the key to price more than striker vs SA/DA. Kahr is an example of a company that makes both plastic and metal in striker fired. The MSRP reflects the difference.
 
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Yeah.......no.

The DA/SA is far from done. Looking at the numbers of SIG Legions that I know have been sold, I know the DA/SA is alive and kicking.

Is the DA/SA dead in LE? Yep, sure is. Is it dead because the striker guns are better? Yep, they are better. They are better at pacifying administrators with a bunch of retards that do not want to go to the range. If you are going to suck, you will suck less with a striker fired gun. The length of pull is less so it gives the retard less time to fuck up the shot when they stare at the target, snatch the trigger to the rear, all the while pushing the gun downward, and then blaming the low left hit on their sights being off.

Couple that with a generation of firearms instructors that know nothing about how to teach a DA/SA gun (or revolvers for that matter) and it is a perfect storm.

All of that is fine by me. There are only a couple of places you can go to learn how to effectively run a DA/SA pistol and I am one of them.

The arguments against the DA/SA always boil down to "I can't do it, so it can't be done".

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Strictly from my perspective as a consumer in middle America who has been enjoying the shooting sports since the late 1990s I can say that other shooters have been making this claim for two decades but companies keep making, and selling, metal framed DA/SA pistols and introducing new models, too.

That said, Smith & Wesson isn't even making hammer fired metal framed semi-auto pistols any longer and other companies seem to be following suit. Ruger has moved to striker-fired plastic-fantastics while Beretta and CZ have both introduced models following this same pattern.

Does this mean traditional DA/SA pistols will vanish from manufacturer catalogs? Nope, companies will 'make a seat for every butt'. Plus, most fads are circular and eventually will come around back to DA/SA pistols like the eventual re-re-introduction of bell-bottom jeans and denim jackets. In fact, some YouTube firearms channels are already singing the praise of hammer fired pistols for safe concealed carry to protect against the 'Glock Leg Syndrome'.


This sums up my thoughts also.

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Yeah.......no.

The DA/SA is far from done. Looking at the numbers of SIG Legions that I have been sold, I know the DA/SA is alive and kicking.

Is the DA/SA dead in LE? Yep, sure is. Is it dead because the striker guns are better? Yep, they are better. They are better at pacifying administrators with a bunch of retards that do not want to go to the range. If you are going to suck, you will suck less with a striker fired gun. The length of pull is less so it gives the retard less time to fuck up the shot when they stare at the target, snatch the trigger to the rear, all the while pushing the gun downward, and then blaming the low left hit on their sights being off.

Couple that with a generation of firearms instructors that know nothing about how to teach a DA/SA gun (or revolvers for that matter) and it is a perfect storm.

All of that is fine by me. There are only a couple of places you can go to learn how to effectively run a DA/SA pistol and I am one of them.

The arguments against the DA/SA always boil down to "I can't do it, so it can't be done".


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Looking at the numbers of SIG Legions that I have been sold, I know the DA/SA is alive and kicking.


Um. Where do you keep them all? Eek Wink


LOL. Should have read "number of SIG Legions that I know have been sold". Sorry!!!!!!! Corrected in post!


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Yup. Done, like the revolver and the 1911.
 
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