Ok guys

I got my German framed 226 back from the gunsmith with new GGI trigger and loaded one mag with Federal 147 HSTs. I went to unload the gun , dropped the mag and could not get the slide to move , to eject the live loaded round. I got the round out but can not figure what the issue is. Gun also has fitted Barsto barrel . The HSTs had never been loaded and no signs of an issue with the ejected round. ANY thoughts would be great. This is my first Sig bought in 02 and would like to keep her going as a EDC .
thanks

Officer Dave

I suggest field stripping the gun down to the barrel only and then dropping rounds into the chamber to see what happens. Try other HSTs from the same box, as well as other brands.

I had that happen with a Bar-sto barrel. Sent it back to Bar-sto for fitting, no problems since.

yep Barsto is out and original low mileage Sig is back in. Running snap caps with no issues, so I am thinking ammo issue. I can rotate out the HSTs and try other defense rounds. thanks for the input.

Is the other ammo also 147-grainers?

If I am understanding correctly, with the Bar-Sto barrel installed the slide would not cycle at all?
If so, that is the barrel fitting too tightly, not an ammo issue.

Take the Barsto barrel and drop in a 147 HST. Does the round drop all the way into the chamber? Can you rotate the chambered round freely?

I had a Glock 19 that had the chamber cut a bit short. 147gr HST is at the long end of 9mm spec. Rounds would chamber, but the bullet would be partially engaging the rifling. If the projectile was any longer or the throat any shorter, I can see it locking up the action.

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Originally posted by TAP:
If I am understanding correctly, with the Bar-Sto barrel installed the slide would not cycle at all?
If so, that is the barrel fitting too tightly, not an ammo issue.

Would not cycle when the Bar-Sto was in and a live round in it
Not loaded, slide worked fine

I'd do the "plunk" test(barrel out of the gun) as well with the same 147's. Then push down on the back of the round and see if you feel any interference. There is a history with short chambered Bar-Sto barrels causing similar problems. It's not that they don't make good barrels or that federal doesn't make good ammo. Bar-Sto produces a product that is exposed to a gazillion different kinds of ammo with different length bullets and different shaped ogives. There are many variables to consider when troubleshooting.

It sounds like a tight or short chambered barrel with a round that is not very compatible with it.

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Originally posted by jackimoe:
I'd do the "plunk" test(barrel out of the gun) as well with the same 147's. Then push down on the back of the round and see if you feel any interference. There is a history with short chambered Bar-Sto barrels causing similar problems. It's not that they don't make good barrels or that federal doesn't make good ammo. Bar-Sto produces a product that is exposed to a gazillion different kinds of ammo with different length bullets and different shaped ogives. There are many variables to consider when troubleshooting.

It sounds like a tight or short chambered barrel with a round that is not very compatible with it.

This. My Barsto Barrel had a very tight throat. This didn't make it a bad barrel...to the contrary, it was extremely accurate. And HST is excellent ammo. They just don't play nice together. You might contact Barsto about having the throat reamed, or just shoot different ammo in it.

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Originally posted by GaryBF:
I suggest field stripping the gun down to the barrel only and then dropping rounds into the chamber to see what happens. Try other HSTs from the same box, as well as other brands.

And weights, See if 115 and 124 grain fmj's drop in further than the 147 HST's.

Put the original Sig barrel ( NP3 coated) back in and will switch to Winchester bonded 147 9mms. I am guessing that the HSTs wider open mouth hollow point, may not be fitting correctly into the mouth of the Bar-Sto barrel. One of the problems with having instructors that ONLY carry, know GLOCKs. My meaning is that not every gun is the same. What ammo works in your GLOCK may not function in my SIG ( we buy our own weapons)

thanks guys for the suggestions will see what happens
Being a SIG guy in my department ( 20 officers )and working around our big brother department ( 300 officers) is not easy. GLOCK rules the day out by me...

if you put 115gr does it do the same thing?shoot a few and than try the heavier

It sounds to me like the barsto is not fitted correctly. Both of My Simi Fits needed a little bit of work. That said I have fired over 500 HSTs through both of them with no problem once they were fitted correctly

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Originally posted by officerdave:
I am guessing that the HSTs wider open mouth hollow point, may not be fitting correctly into the mouth of the Bar-Sto barrel.

No guessing.
So, did you do the "plunk test"? Four people above asked but it's not clear if you did it and what the results were.
If you haven't, please try this:

Or this:

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my experience with barsto is that they have pretty tight chambers.

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Originally posted by FJRider:
It sounds to me like the Barsto is not fitted correctly. Both of My Simi Fits needed a little bit of work. That said I have fired over 500 HSTs through both of them with no problem once they were fitted correctly

It may sound like that and there is some common knowledge that the semi-fit may need some work for proper lock-up.( The semi=fit designation)There have been lots of threads on this fine forum alone that indicate this over the many years.

To simplify..you have the barrel lock-up and then the feeding/loading characteristics and variables. From a troubleshooting standpoint I would eliminate lock-up at first if possible. I read and got the idea that other lesser weight bullets would feed and fire fine. If so, he could then move on to the feeding and chambering issues to nail it down.

Handloaders developing match rounds face this non-stop. The CZ chamber/lead is a perfect example. What works in a Sig as a long loaded round might not work in a CZ.

147's tend to load to a longer O.A.L. which I think would be the primary cause for his issue. If that is the case, I'm sure Bar-Sto would modify the barrel for him.