I have a Glock pattern AR9...pretty good.
I have a SIG MPX 8"...REALLY pretty good though I admit that it's not a carbine.
I'm now mulling over a Kalashnikov KP9 AK-style sub-gun...something kinda sexy about the thing having a magwell sized for a 9mm mag rather than an oversized magwell for 7.62x39 and some kind of insert. Generally it's been well-reviewed and received. Gun Jesus loves his.
EDIT: I forgot to add that I didn't care for the Scorpion myself. Even less a fan of the longer carbine configuration; I'm more fascinated with sub-guns instead of PCCs however. I know the Scorpion works well but the ergonomics kinda sucked for me. And they really capture that platicky feel (as opposed to a 'polymer' feel; there IS a difference), which for me wasn't a good thing. Okay price point; a Ruger PC9, however weird-looking, is just better priced. Plus I got LOTS of Glock mags already.
About a year ago, I bought my first braced pistol (BTE 9mm AR platform) and SBR'd it. The stamp only took a month to arrive. As pleased as I've been with this SBR, I bought a B&T GHM9 Compact and I'm going through the SBR process on this now. Both are very compact and fun to shoot little 9mms, that I'm planning on suppressing some time in the future. I understand that getting stamps for those is more time consuming, but I think it'll be worth the wait.
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As to PCC, I own two(2) of them. Both are MP5 clones(BW5FS, Z5RS), and I really enjoy them. My nephew has the Scorpion, and he loves it. I do not own any suppressors, as they don't call out to me. Now full auto, that is a different thing!!!
Life is short, and if you have the coin, then step into PCC World. You can always bail out if you are unhappy, but most do not.
Huh? While this may be true in some cases, it’s not true in all cases. Both the Obsidian 9 and 45 have the same 1.37” diameter.
The Forgotten Weapons channel on You Tube just released an article on the CMMG Banshee 9x19 carbine. It has a good explanation of the radial delayed system. Coming up - they take it to the range.
I can't imagine why forgotten weapons is working on the CMMG. I don't think its reached that stage in its lifecycle. I know some are sensitive to the blowback bolt on these things (I'm not) but it definitely reduces that. Not like its now an MP5 or MPX but its less. at the cost of fully proprietary.
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I have a Stag Model 9. It is crazy fun to shoot. Yes 9mm ARs kick a bit more than you would think due to the blowback system and heavy bolt, but not that much. I had a Ruger PC 9 and it was ok, but definitely not better than my Stag. I use the Stag for PCC in USPSA and it is just a blast to shoot. I might get one of those Palmetto State Armory
AK-Vs if I get some FU money. But try PCC. And get that revolver. You can always use one more.
I had a Camp9.Funnest little rifle I've ever owned.
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The radially delayed blowback is definitely softer shooting than straight blowback but not as soft as the MP series, either MPX or MP5.
I dislike blowback and after having two of the softest shooters in the series, I love my Guard.
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Thanks for the input! Decisions, decisions...
That is a good question. One I'm trying to answer with all the info on this thread. Thanks to all who have posted! Helps me process the options...
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Thank you. Very helpful.
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I bought a Ruger PCC 9mm to just with my Silencerco Octane 45HD. I use Glock mags with it since I have a couple of Gen 2 19s, one suppressor host. I wish the carbine was a little quieter with the suppressor but no regrets.
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I also have a Ruger 77/357 and just got a Marlin 1894CSBL (both .357Mag). I would definitely pick the Marlin to keep out of all of them. Awesome gun, lots of fun. I’ll probably get it threaded for the suppressor.
Pretty heavily invested in PCCs. My latest purchase was a HK SP5 to go with the Zenith Z-5RS that I SBR’d a couple of years ago. Also have SBR CZ Scorpion, CMMG Guard (9mm), and a LWRC SMG-45. Have some 16” guns (Scorpion Carbine, RRA LAR-9, MPX carbine, Tavor, and older school stuff), but since I got into SBRs and suppressors, I rarely shoot the long barrel stuff any more, other than the Tavor.
Lots of great options today, including PCC conversions that use standard unmodified AR lowers combined with special mags like the 9mm endomags or CMMG 5.7 conversions.
I have a PCC I built up from an 80, but it's Glock mag.
I don't really understand why no one makes an 80 lower that is p226 based.
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Liberty is a well armed lamb with a Sig X-Six protesting that decision."
Please identify that Brace Adapter....Never seen one like that!
I've searched all the usual purveyors of B&T hotness and can't seem to find it anywhere!
ETA - Found it --> https://customsmithmfg.com/sho...connectors-low-mountThis message has been edited. Last edited by: nhracecraft,
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That Marlin of yours is beautiful, photoman.
I'm eyeing both the CZ Micro and the Ruger PC Charger. The CZ is more expensive and has a worse trigger, but the Ruger is nose-heavy and supposedly has significant POI shifts due to the removable and non-free-floated front end.
I want to like the Ruger more, especially when considering leaving a suppressor on, as the takedown feature would really accommodate that.
Anyone here use the Ruger PC Charger and experience either odd balance issues with the gun, and/or significant POI shifts?
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