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Hey all-

It's decision time. I am finally ready to order my new 1911. I was sure I was set on the "plain" TRP in . 45acp but now I have noticed a couple of differences (besides the rail) in the TRP Operator. The Operator is 3 oz heavier and listed as having a "bull barrel with fully supported feed ramp and 1 piece NM guide rod".
Is there any downside to these "upgrades" for range and competition with occasional CCW?
I know feed ramps and guide rods are of particular interest to 1911 gurus but I don't know why.

Can anyone provide any insight?

Bruce




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Bruce,

Of those features, the fully ramped, supported barrel would be the only upgrade that I'd consider useful.

The full length guide rod, in theory, prevents "spring-over" or "coil jump," in which the spring could bind against itself in the traditional 1911 with a half-length guide rod. Depending on the rod, some can be a pain in the butt to take apart, and the screw-together type do have a habit of unscrewing under fire.

The coned barrel, or bushingless barrel, is said to increase accuracy, but that's debateable. Lockup is tight, when the slide is fully forward and the barrel is held fast; as soon as the barrel unlocks, it's not. The same can be said for a barrel bushing on a conventional 1911; the bushing adds additional places for play, and thus a decrease in accuracy. Some novel ideas have come along, like spherical bushings, but overall, a well fitted 1911 barrel bushing lasts the life of the pistol and will provide excellent accuracy. A heavier coned barrel might have a reduction in harmonics, though I don't know how significant that is on that short a barrel anyway.

The TRP has an excellent reputation and for a production 1911, does come with nice features. It's not a bad choice. It goes without saying that for a few dollars more you're into the "semi-custom" market," and for about the same price point you can have some good makes like Dan Wesson, too. I don't think you'll go wrong with the TRP, and you'll be hard pressed to break it.

I believe one is for sale in the classifieds, or was, recently.
 
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Both are capable of sub 3” groups at distance. The TRP has a 2-piece guide rod while the TRP Operator has a 1–piece guide rod. Both guns have Tritium night sights. The TRP has fixed Novak combat sights, the TRP Operator has a full adjustable rear sight. I found the TRP to have a better balance in the hand between the two. If I where to edc, I would the TRP due to its better balance. Good luck with your process.


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I think I will go with the TRP, since it uses the barrel bushing set up. I am looking for a very traditional 1911 so that fits the bill.
I'm going with Springfield over something like a Dan Wesson because I can get a discount through work.

Bruce




Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there. Then I check to make sure that it still irritates me. If I can still exclaim, under my breath, why do they insult me and what do they take me for and what the hell is it supposed to mean unless it's as obviously complacent and conceited and censorious as it seems to be, then at least I know I still have a pulse. You may wish to choose a more rigorous mental workout but I credit this daily infusion of annoyance with extending my lifespan. -Christopher Hitchens

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
-PJ O'Rourke
“It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free."
-Niccolo Machiavelli

 
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I think you’ll be happy with it
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Originally posted by RNshooter:
I think I will go with the TRP, since it uses the barrel bushing set up. I am looking for a very traditional 1911 so that fits the bill.
I'm going with Springfield over something like a Dan Wesson because I can get a discount through work.

Bruce


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Neither. I just can't deal with the cheese grater front straps on them.

Give me 25 LPI any day.

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Neither. I just can't deal with the cheese grater front straps on them.

Give me 25 LPI any day.

Bob


The 10mm Operator has more of a fish scale front strap checkering. I like the look. It grips pretty well (in the LGS).

Bruce




Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there. Then I check to make sure that it still irritates me. If I can still exclaim, under my breath, why do they insult me and what do they take me for and what the hell is it supposed to mean unless it's as obviously complacent and conceited and censorious as it seems to be, then at least I know I still have a pulse. You may wish to choose a more rigorous mental workout but I credit this daily infusion of annoyance with extending my lifespan. -Christopher Hitchens

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
-PJ O'Rourke
“It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free."
-Niccolo Machiavelli

 
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Originally posted by RNshooter:
I think I will go with the TRP, since it uses the barrel bushing set up. I am looking for a very traditional 1911 so that fits the bill.
I'm going with Springfield over something like a Dan Wesson because I can get a discount through work.

Bruce


If you're wanting the more traditional 1911, then yes, the standard TRP gets the nod.

However, IMHO, the Operator is a significant upgrade package...bull barrel and 'buried' adjustable sights in particular. The rail is also a bonus, but you'll need new holster(s) if you don't already have ones for railed 1911's.

IMHO, this may be one of the best 'shooter' 1911 'package' guns out there, especially for the $$. I really like the gray version.


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Then there's the TRP Operator in 10 mm with a bushing/barrel and standard GI guide rod/spring set up in case you wanted more decisions to make. Big Grin


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Is there any downside to these "upgrades" for range and competition with occasional CCW?


Depends on the competition. Unless things have changed recently, the coned/bull barrel would keep you out of Single Stack in USPSA and CDP in IDPA.


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Interesting point. I will have to look more into the rules.

Bruce




Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there. Then I check to make sure that it still irritates me. If I can still exclaim, under my breath, why do they insult me and what do they take me for and what the hell is it supposed to mean unless it's as obviously complacent and conceited and censorious as it seems to be, then at least I know I still have a pulse. You may wish to choose a more rigorous mental workout but I credit this daily infusion of annoyance with extending my lifespan. -Christopher Hitchens

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
-PJ O'Rourke
“It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free."
-Niccolo Machiavelli

 
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I absolutely love my TRP. Fantastic pistol. The first time I picked it up I thought the front strap was WAY too sharp. After I shot it a bit either it or my hand broke in and now I prefer it to all my other 1911s. It definitely isn't slipping around in your grip. Ever. And if you need to grate some lemon zest for a tasty beverage and can't find a grater, Springfield has you covered.

I'm not a fan of rails or adjustable sights on a 1911, but I admit that I am something of a traditionalist. It took me far longer than I would like to admit to warm to beavertails...

Both are top of the line for production level guns. Either is an excellent choice, it just depends on what your preferences are.
 
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I went TRP. No rail was desired. Accurate. Reliable. Hard to beat for the price. Replaced the guide rod abortion with a standard GI. No multi-piece or full length guide rods for me. I tried them - for me, simple is better.

As others have mentioned, the 20 LPI on the front strap was an annoyance - and in truth was why I sold it.
 
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All this talk about cheese grater front straps is making me consider a stainless model (maybe soften the sharp edges) or a 10mm TRP Operator with the tamer, fish scale checkering.
The Loaded 10mm model would cost me about $350 less. No front strap checkering, at all. I like the rear sight but am not a fan of the fiber optic front.

I do prefer the sights on the 10mm TRP to the sights of both the 45 TRP and the 45 TRP Operator.

Bruce
 
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If you decide to go 10mm, use the Wilson Combat 9 round magazine (47NX).
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Originally posted by RNshooter:
All this talk about cheese grater front straps is making me consider a stainless model (maybe soften the sharp edges) or a 10mm TRP Operator with the tamer, fish scale checkering.
The Loaded 10mm model would cost me about $350 less. No front strap checkering, at all. I like the rear sight but am not a fan of the fiber optic front.

I do prefer the sights on the 10mm TRP to the sights of both the 45 TRP and the 45 TRP Operator.

Bruce


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I went ahead with ordering the TRP standard model in 45acp. Black-T finish. I may change the sights to the type with a rear ledge but other than that, I think it's perfect.

Thanks for all the input.

Bruce




Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there. Then I check to make sure that it still irritates me. If I can still exclaim, under my breath, why do they insult me and what do they take me for and what the hell is it supposed to mean unless it's as obviously complacent and conceited and censorious as it seems to be, then at least I know I still have a pulse. You may wish to choose a more rigorous mental workout but I credit this daily infusion of annoyance with extending my lifespan. -Christopher Hitchens

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
-PJ O'Rourke
“It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free."
-Niccolo Machiavelli

 
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Excellent move; great pistol!


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