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But realistically, JLJ, do you really see any possibility of SIG investing anything more in this model?

Where are you going with this?

C'mon...fess up; Do you know something we don't?


In another thread, Jones said:

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Rumor around the water cooler is the 2022 line is one of the lines that SIG is wanting to revamp and relaunch.


I may be in the minority, but I'd like a longer barrel/slide version. Around 4.4" (or more) like a P226.
This is a excellent idea. Especially taking into consideration more velocity from 9mm and 357 Sig. Mine was SP2340 and I honestly liked the rail of its Swiss frame better than the 2022. Only minor issue I ever had was hand over slide racking. The angled slide serrations need to carry over the top edges of its slide for a more positive grasp.


Thanks, and...

I'd go with a longer slide version in a heartbeat. In fact, to a fullsize grip version I'd love to see a 5 and 6 inch barrel upper with adjustable rear sight. These guns are phenomenally accurate and for field use such a version would be sweet.

And, I'm just going to say it...

Release it in a .22 high velocity round like the .22 TCM or whatever will fit in the standard 9mm magazines.


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Well, I waited a bit to fool around with mine before posting, but I don't think I've come up with anything others haven't.

The slide lock lever does get in the way. Move it, shorten it or narrow it, and it not only gets out of the way but (if moved or shortened) allows placement of the decocking lever a little higher - which would also then be conveniently a bit more out of the way. The combination of slide lock, decocking lever and mag release button makes the left side of the frame just aft of the trigger a little more crowded than it seems to need to be, and (FWIW) the mag release button seems to be just fine as it is.

Obviously, I'd love to see the slide lock/takedown lever exchanged for the 22X arrangement, but I'm not sure that's possible. The 22X system is enough easier to take down and reassemble that I notice the fiddliness of trying to get a 2022 back together, and it is nice not to have to work around the slide lock lever when the pistol is assembled.

I'd love to see a little more of an indentation at the top of the back of the grip, where the web of the hand rests, and I'd like to see the bottom of the back of the grip flare out just a little bit more. That's clearly (to me, at least) a function of the size and shape of my hand, and may not be a couple of changes that others appreciate as much as I would. Just a little more indentation at the top alone might work wonders, though. FWIW, my concern is getting a slightly more comfortable grip on the pistol when firing and when under recoil. Trigger reach is no problem for me.

I would love to see a longer barrel/slide combination. 4.4" would be very, very good. 5" would send me over the moon. The pistol simply shoots well enough, and is easy enough to shoot well, that the slight increase in sight radius would still (IMHO) offer a noticeable and useful improvement in the usability (if that's a word) of the pistol. In my case, though, I neither want nor need an adjustable rear sight.

I don't get my hands pinched when loading a mag into the well, but am conscious of the possibility. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a slightly longer grip frame, even though the grip is not actually as uncomfortable for me as that of other, shorter pistols like the 229. It would also be great to be able to use 250/320 magazines, and I say that as someone with a supply of the current magazines.
 
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The Pro/2022 is one of the most under rated guns out there, without a doubt. The guns are soft shooting, extremely accurate, and dependable.

If you could make changes to the 2022, what would they be? For me, it would be extending the front of the frame about 1/4 to take out the pinch on reloading the pistol.

What changes would you make to the pistol?


A lower profile slide catch lever.
 
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Rumor around the water cooler is the 2022 line is one of the lines that SIG is wanting to revamp and relaunch.

Which I would imagine would possibly bump it up around the P320 price point?
 
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Originally posted by Il Cattivo: It would also be great to be able to use 250/320 magazines, and I say that as someone with a supply of the current magazines.


I agree and me, too.

SIG needs to be bold and just do it. Design all their future pistols around the gubmnt mag and then crank out an endless supply of them.


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Obviously, I'd love to see the slide lock/takedown lever exchanged for the 22X arrangement, but I'm not sure that's possible. The 22X system is enough easier to take down and reassemble that I notice the fiddliness of trying to get a 2022 back together...


I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there. When i first got my SigPro, I thought the takedown/assembly was pretty difficult. I eventually realised that I was just sort of spoiled becaused takedown on the P22X is just so darn easy. The SigPro takedown is just like a Hi Power or a CZ. The CZ has witness marks to line up the slide & frame in the right location. I think something as simple as witness marks would make reassembly easier.


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Howdy friends! I'm watching this thread closely. As you may rrcall, I've been a staunch admirer of the basic SP2022, and have carried mine for nearly a decade now. However, the reliable, old, rationally utilitarian SIG Pro offers lot of potential for updates and enhancements, while still keeping it at the bargain price point. I sure appreciate your ideas! Please don't read too much into my interest here; I just like the things, and hope to see our New Hampshire friends do more with it someday.

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I have several examples of this fine pistol in 9 & 40. Both have horrible double action pull, but the single action pull is superb. Local Gun store and range has one for rent with excellent DA & SA pulls. I got a great deal on mine since they were contrast sights and short trigger(perhaps for women. I find them the trigger OK so I haven't sent in for standard trigger. VERY soft shooting.I would not change anything, it's an excellent design for a service pistol.
 
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#1 Keep Manufacturing it

#2 Different grip sizes, colors and textures. I like the gritty feel they have, but I can't find a large to save my life AND it wouldn't be kind of neat to stick a FDE or Gray or Green, etc. grip on it. It's injection molded plastic, not milled from aluminum bar.

#3 Keep Manufacturing it

#4 it is a LONG trigger, just saying.

#5 There is no #5

#6 Keep manufacturing it


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I have several examples of this fine pistol in 9 & 40. Both have horrible double action pull, but the single action pull is superb. Local Gun store and range has one for rent with excellent DA & SA pulls. I got a great deal on mine since they were contrast sights and short trigger(perhaps for women. I find them the trigger OK so I haven't sent in for standard trigger. VERY soft shooting.I would not change anything, it's an excellent design for a service pistol.


Interesting. My 9MM SP2022 had a wonderful SA and DA trigger out of the box. Mine was one of the German made French contract over runs with the internal extractor.


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I have several examples of this fine pistol in 9 & 40. Both have horrible double action pull, but the single action pull is superb. Local Gun store and range has one for rent with excellent DA & SA pulls. I got a great deal on mine since they were contrast sights and short trigger(perhaps for women. I find them the trigger OK so I haven't sent in for standard trigger. VERY soft shooting.I would not change anything, it's an excellent design for a service pistol.


My 9MM SP2022 had a wonderful SA and DA trigger out of the box. Mine was one of the German made French contract over runs with the internal extractor.


Interesting.... As I posted above the trigger in my SP2022 just doesn't work for me. I was boxing it up last night to get it ready for my brother in law to take and I played with it a bjt more. My problems with it isn't just that it breaks so close to the frame, but that it stacks up noticeably and gets so much tougher to continue to pull until it breaks. The result is that I push the shot to the left. It appears that the mainspring of the 290 is the same, and I considered trying a lighter mainspring from a 290 but decided to sell. Mine is of fairly recent manufacture with the external extractor.
 
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Where are you going with this?

C'mon...fess up; Do you know something we don't?


When you put 2 and 2 and 2 together from different sources, I think this is something they will look at changing. When they will follow through on it is a question.

I may look at doing some stuff independently as well. For the price point, it is hard to beat.

Interestingly, the first Pro I picked up was a students. It was a .40 caliber gun that was manufactured right after the gun came out. It had, and I kid you not, a 21 pound DA pull. I thought it was an anomaly so I traveled up to Whittakers gun shop and fondled two or three others. Same thing. These days, it seems you are hard pressed to find a DA out of the box that isn't smooth and in the 10-12 pound range.

So, changes can happen.


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While shooting it alongside a LEM P30 I thought how a Pro in light LEM would be nice. Looked in the DAO control unit but never could figure out how similar it was.

I've owned 3 different Pro's bought for $350, $325 and $275 they are always lowest on the totem pole when it comes to clearing up cash for other interest but I have no doubt I'll buy another.


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Where are you going with this?

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When you put 2 and 2 and 2 together from different sources, I think this is something they will look at changing. When they will follow through on it is a question.

I may look at doing some stuff independently as well. For the price point, it is hard to beat.

Interestingly, the first Pro I picked up was a students. It was a .40 caliber gun that was manufactured right after the gun came out. It had, and I kid you not, a 21 pound DA pull. I thought it was an anomaly so I traveled up to Whittakers gun shop and fondled two or three others. Same thing. These days, it seems you are hard pressed to find a DA out of the box that isn't smooth and in the 10-12 pound range.

So, changes can happen.


YIKES!!!

We have owned 4 of them. All DA's have been excellent, just slightly heavier than my P250's but similar, and SA's have been 6 lb and excellent to good. My son's is superb. He carries it every day and has killed many, many grouse and ground squirrels with it and even a coyote at 40 yards.

The 2022 is an awesome pistol.


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For me it would first be to extend the front of the frame to take out the pinch on reloading the pistol. Next would be an a trigger change to something like the Gray Guns intermediate trigger. A SRT trigger. And for me lastly a longer barrel mainly for a longer sight radius.
 
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I have a older gen Sig pro SP2022 then most(but not all) manufacture date is 11/2008 and it's a great firearm that has never skipped a beat....ever. It's my HD gun if that tells you anything but it also gets lots of range time.
Like any firearm if you shoot it enough drawbacks or annoyance eventually disappear once you put a couple 1000's round through it.
On that note a few things I would change if all possible.

1. The decocker lever digs into my lower thumb area with some serious pain after about 100 rounds. I never noticed this until today, must be spoiled by other Sigs.
2. As mentioned already an extended slide version would be awesome, but that's asking for a lot.
3. How about a 20 round magazine, the 15+2 mec-gars pinch my pinky finger.
4. A shorter reset would also be a nice addition.

I would honestly leave the SA/DA trigger alone, it's really that good in stock configuration for the price point. The DA pull could be a little lighter but that's really just knit picking. If some outfit offered different lbs mainsprings that would be a start!
 
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I'll echo those who mention the overall ergonomics of the grip. I have a soft spot for the SIGPro, my experience being a P2340 in 357 SIG that was rumored to have been a demo gun for interested agencies. Beautiful trigger, easy accuracy, a gun you needed to shoot to appreciate. But it would take a much improved grip to get me to buy one again. I simply have too many options these days that offer no compromise in that regard.


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I've owned 3 and am now down to 2. I really like them but the first thing I would change is the nearly brick grip. It needs to be a lot more ergonomical. Grip a P320 and then an SP2022 and, to me at least, the problem is obvious.

Thanks for asking.
 
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I love mine too .. and it is a good one the trigger is better than my Good 229. Everyone that shoots it shoots it well, it is accurate, and fun to shoot. Somehow it just doesnt get out much because it is a bit large to carry.


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I've owned a couple of them, and think they are great.

I'd make the rear of the slide a little easier to grip. For us oldsters, who have arthritic fingers, it can be hard to get a good grip on the slippery slide at times. Maybe make the grooves a little more aggressive.

I've always thought I'd love to see a Traditional Double Action (TDA) P250, which I guess means I'd like to see a slightly smaller SP2022.
 
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