Any of our Chicago PD guys have any information on your agencies use of the S&W 457D?
There is very little printed about it. It is a DAO variant of the standard 457. Made especially for the Chicago PD. Very few overuns made it out into private hands.
Evidently there were two batches made. The first batch of 457Ds having second strike capability. The larger second batch did not have second strike. Any info is much appreciated!
Any of you know anyone still using a 457D on or off duty? Thanks! Regards 18DAI
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February 13, 2020, 09:21 AM
cslinger
How can a double action gun NOT have second strike capability?
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
February 13, 2020, 09:37 AM
18DAI
None of the S&W 3rd gen DAO models had second strike capability - with two exceptions - the 3914DAO made for the NYPD and the first 457Ds made for CPD.
All the others required the slide to be reset for a second pull. Regards 18DAI
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February 13, 2020, 10:38 AM
cslinger
So if I understand you correctly.
I rack the slide. The hammer rocks back and then rides the slide home into a rested position.
I pull the trigger hammer comes back and drops the gun fires....slide reciprocates, hammer comes back, hammer rides slide home to rested position. Rinse repeat.
I pull the trigger on a dead round. Hammer comes back drops and the trigger goes dead.
Why the hell would you even build this in this fashion. I cannot think of any practical reason for this????
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
February 13, 2020, 10:41 AM
cslinger
And don’t get me wrong I get immediate action drills being the best way to remediate a click no bang but I don’t understand why you would seemingly complicate a simple double action only trigger.
Now bear with me. I have been known to take my idjit pills more times then not so if I am missing the obvious just pity me.
I apologize for the hijack.
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
February 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
Bulldog7972
What info are you looking for? I know some guys bought them but I don't think they were as popular as the Sig 220 compact. I don't recall seeing many guys with them. I know one guy in Narcotics that still uses his.
February 13, 2020, 11:34 AM
copaup
quote:
Originally posted by cslinger: So if I understand you correctly.
I rack the slide. The hammer rocks back and then rides the slide home into a rested position.
I pull the trigger hammer comes back and drops the gun fires....slide reciprocates, hammer comes back, hammer rides slide home to rested position. Rinse repeat.
I pull the trigger on a dead round. Hammer comes back drops and the trigger goes dead.
Why the hell would you even build this in this fashion. I cannot think of any practical reason for this????
On 3rd gen SW DAO the hammer is preset at either 1/4 or 1/2 cock by the slide. This resulted in a shorter pull at the DA weight. We issued DAO 3rd gen Smiths and I really liked the pull. It was heavy, but it was also fairly short and smooth. I much preferred it to the early 229 DAO guns, but then we went to DAK. DAK provided the nice pull while maintaining second strike.
February 13, 2020, 11:51 AM
cslinger
Ahhh so sort of an early LEM type pre-cocked DA thing. That makes more sense.
I was thinking plain old traditional DAO.
Thank you.
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
February 13, 2020, 01:00 PM
18DAI
Bulldog7972 there is a thread over on the blue forum asking about them. Not a lot is known about them.
Numbers ordered, any issues with them, any around still with the 2nd strike feature - any info on them is more than they have right now. Thank you! Regards 18DAI
7+1 Rounds of hope and change
February 13, 2020, 05:52 PM
Bulldog7972
I'll take a look and see if I can help them.
February 13, 2020, 07:13 PM
18DAI
Thank you Bulldog7972! Regards 18DAI
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February 13, 2020, 07:20 PM
00464b
quote:
Originally posted by cslinger: How can a double action gun NOT have second strike capability?
The first Sig P290's were not re-strike capable. That's why they revamped with the P290RS.
February 14, 2020, 10:41 AM
photoman12001
quote:
Originally posted by 18DAI: None of the S&W 3rd gen DAO models had second strike capability - with two exceptions - the 3914DAO made for the NYPD and the first 457Ds made for CPD.
All the others required the slide to be reset for a second pull. Regards 18DAI
My CS9D is double strike capable. I just sold my 457D. It was the version not capable of double strike.
