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They did. Then we bought them and the magazines to the point of extinction.

No, certain people bought them to the point of extinction. I see people selling a P7 with 6-10 magazines......You can't even put 6 magazines of ammunition through it before it's too hot to hold. I could see having 2-3 magazines for a gun like the P7, but it's not a competition gun where someone needs 10 magazines for 1 gun (In MY Opinion). Then there's a guy selling used mags and in the picture is a pile of them.

^^^Spares Dude... Roll Eyes

Seriously, this is not necessarily of our doing, but the Anti-2A gun grabbers are relentless, sooo a guy needs to prepare, just in case they succeed!

Additionally, the reason we're having this discussion at all is because HK stopped making the P7, and subsequently stopped production on P7 Mags as well. Sooo. if you want to ensure you're not gonna be obsoleted out of an expensive handgun (unless you like the proposition of a single shot P7), you acquire plenty of spares. Personally, whenever I buy a new Handgun, my target # for Mags on hand is 14, one more than a 'Bakers Dozen! Cool

And don't even get me started on AR Magazines, or what happens when I decide to move into a new caliber... Wink


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$185 for a magazine? When I die I sure hope my kids don’t trade off my P7 stuff for a TV or something not knowing what it’s worth. Dang.

Some of us bought them to extinction because we knew they weren’t making anymore. Ever. I hate to offend anyone’s delicate sensibilities but I bought spare parts as well. Gasp, the horror!
 
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I get having a couple of spares, but 14? Magazines do go bad, but generally that's from a lot of use, and it's a very rare event. Generally the only mags I've had go bad have been 1911. I had a 1938 Ballester Rigaud that was an issued military pistol in the Argentinian navy. It had a lot of rounds through it, was very sloppy, it had the origional serial numbered magazine with it.

I own a P7 PSP, but I just don't see it as a gun I'm running A LOT of rounds through. When I take it to the range I run about 50 rounds through it, mainly due to the heat and magazine capacity. Meanwhile I think nothing of running 200 rounds through a cz75 or 1911 in the same range session. I only have the 1 magazine that came with it, but am thinking long and hard about buying 1 spare, but the price is well.....something to cry about for a magazine. LOL
 
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Hmmmm let’s see. I have 10 mags for most of my firearms P7 included.

Looks at P7 mag prices today......has a hard time thinking I made a bad choice. Smile


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I own a P7 PSP, but I just don't see it as a gun I'm running A LOT of rounds through. When I take it to the range I run about 50 rounds through it
Each person uses his (her?) guns differently.

I am not a "collector." I don't have that many, I really can't afford to buy something that won't be used.

I really believe that the P7's design makes it one of the safest carry guns ever made, in terms of avoiding NDs. Accurate, easy to shoot, safe. What's not to like?

And of course, if I'm going to carry it, I definitely will practice with it.



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I always like to have spare mags. I’m at least a 10 per gun guy. I don’t have ten per P7. I have about 4 per, roughly a bit less than for my P7M8’s. Even back when I was buying spares they weren’t cheap. 50-60 apiece. I didn’t figure they would get cheaper though. What I would buy a spare of is the firing pin bushing. They break on occasion. And it’s not a single shot at that point. Get the M8 variety. They are interchangeable and it’s tool less for removal which is nice.
 
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I own a P7 PSP, but I just don't see it as a gun I'm running A LOT of rounds through. When I take it to the range I run about 50 rounds through it
Each person uses his (her?) guns differently.

I am not a "collector." I don't have that many, I really can't afford to buy something that won't be used.

I really believe that the P7's design makes it one of the safest carry guns ever made, in terms of avoiding NDs. Accurate, easy to shoot, safe. What's not to like?

And of course, if I'm going to carry it, I definitely will practice with it.


I agree to all of the above. I use mine. I do love it's design but do feel in today's day and age, it's large and heavy compared to the competition as far as carry pieces go.

That being said, it's impossible to put a lot of rounds through it at 1 range session due to it's design. After 30-40 rounds, you have to set it down for 20 minutes just to let the damn thing cool off. What I'm getting at, it's not like other guns that you can easily shoot 500 rounds through in 1 trip to the range, because of how fast it gets hot. 4 or 5 magazines of ammo through it (as fast as you can reload the magazines) and it becomes to hot to hold.
 
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...but it's not a competition gun where someone needs 10 magazines for 1 gun (In MY Opinion).
We're on a firearms forum, and you shouldn't need to have the word need explained to you, I mean who really needs an AR-14 with 33 round magazines? Razz


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Shhh. He's working through his feelings about not having bought more.
 
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I get having a couple of spares, but 14? Magazines do go bad, but generally that's from a lot of use, and it's a very rare event. Generally the only mags I've had go bad have been 1911. I had a 1938 Ballester Rigaud that was an issued military pistol in the Argentinian navy. It had a lot of rounds through it, was very sloppy, it had the origional serial numbered magazine with it.

I own a P7 PSP, but I just don't see it as a gun I'm running A LOT of rounds through. When I take it to the range I run about 50 rounds through it, mainly due to the heat and magazine capacity. Meanwhile I think nothing of running 200 rounds through a cz75 or 1911 in the same range session. I only have the 1 magazine that came with it, but am thinking long and hard about buying 1 spare, but the price is well.....something to cry about for a magazine. LOL

Couple of things:
- I plan to leave my Firearms to my son after I'm gone, and hopefully he'll get to do the same!
- Magazines can/do wear to the point that it can affect performance. Springs, followers, feed lips & floorplates do wear and can get damaged...And
- They don't make them anymore! Honestly, who knows when anything will suddenly no longer be available!
- Investments in Firearms 'can' be part of a Retirement Plan / Strategy, at least to the extent that they'll never be worth less than I paid for them, and 'might' appreciate significantly!

That said, I don't ever plan on selling any Firearms, but we don't know what tomorrow (next decade, next year, or even next month) will bring, so it's good to be diversified. And like 'cslinger' stated, looking at the price of P7 Mags today, I have a hard time thinking I made a bad choice! Big Grin

Plus, has anyone noticed the prices people are asking for a Definitely NOT Mint P7 (as in kinda' battered/worn) lately? I rest my case... Wink


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All that said and strictly from a performance standpoint all financial and or political issues aside.......the P7 series of magazines are HELL FOR STOUT. You really would have to go out of your way to destroy one to the point it is totally inoperable. I mean these are the kind of magazines you could chock an airplane tire with. Smile

So while I am fully on board with the lots of magazines philosophy I really don’t think any normal person will ever run a P7 mag to destruction.

I hear you in the back and I will happily hold your beer but you are the anomaly Razz


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I could see having 2-3 magazines for a gun like the P7, but it's not a competition gun where someone needs 10 magazines for 1 gun (In MY Opinion). Then there's a guy selling used mags and in the picture is a pile of them.

I regularly run either my PSP or M8 in IDPA. While I only need 5 to comfortably run a match, it is nice to have 5 on hand. I got extra ones, still in the factory packaging, when they were still pretty reasonable...didn't know they were going to triple in price.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cslinger:
[T]he P7 series of magazines are HELL FOR STOUT.

H&K USA had a video where they put an empty mag on a sidewalk, dropped a concrete block on it, dusted it off, loaded it and shot all 8 rounds with no problem.

I am a world class klutz. I need that sort of ruggedness. :-)
 
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Shhh. He's working through his feelings about not having bought more.


I do wish I had bought more magazines when they were cheaper.
 
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Originally posted by cslinger:the P7 series of magazines are HELL FOR STOUT. You really would have to go out of your way to destroy one to the point it is totally inoperable. I mean these are the kind of magazines you could chock an airplane tire with.


Quite true. In 2014, I was hit by a car on a freeway illegally changing lanes to avoid an exit, while I was riding a Honda VFR. I slid face first for about 50 meters, jumped up and ran off to the shoulder.

One of my P7M8’s was in my thigh bag (the only pistol I will ride with, due to the glove friendly trigger guard and lever free exterior). The slide caused the mag base to drag across the pavement through the bag, shaving off one corner at about a 25 degree angle running about a half inch down the edge of the base pad. The frame of the pistol itself was completely untouched. The slide also reconfigured the bezel of one of my Omega Seamaster 300’s, but I digress. (I was wearing an Arai racing helmet, full Vanson racing suit, and Dainese titanium knuckle gloves and boots- a knee panel on the suit failed and that resulted in my only injury- cops caught the driver a few minutes later)

That mag is still fully functional today, but it damn near destroyed a file I used to smooth out the ground portion (which was flame-blue from heat).

That mag is made of some hard stuff.
 
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