Jerry - Just went to my Gun-Tests binder and checked. April 2008: "Full-Time Double-Action 9mms" pitting the P250c against the G17 and the P2000 LEM V2.

pulicords - No offense, but if the only reason you purchased the pistol was for its ability to swap sizes and calibers at a relatively affordable price... Maybe you "jumped the gun," so to speak.

For someone looking for a SIG polymer compact with multiple grip modules (a la H&K, M&P, etc) with a nice DAO trigger, there was no real reason to wait on a P250c. Personally, I'm looking at it as much for its flexibility as the reasons above. As such, despite an interest from day one, I've held off on a purchase and will likely do so until all the parts are available, priced, and deemed acceptable by SigForums.

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Originally posted by ScrappyJack:
Jerry - Just went to my Gun-Tests binder and checked. April 2008: "Full-Time Double-Action 9mms" pitting the P250c against the G17 and the P2000 LEM V2.

For those of us who don't get Gun Tests - can you summarize what they said, or better yet, post a scan of the full article?

Thanks.

John Davies
Spokane WA

Scrappy, thanks for heads up!

John, don't think I've spoken to you in a couple of years? Hope you're doing well? Hate to rely on my "befuddled memory"; but aren't you the guy that purchased a Sig for your son, returning from the military?

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Originally posted by Ordnance Outsell:Pulicords, while I can understand yours and frustration of others about the kits, it is Sig's business to sell complete guns, so kits will come after all primary models have been released, which should make sense, if you think about it? They will come! I know "instant gratification" is sometimes not quick enough for me! LOL

Jerry - When I first handled the P250, I liked the DAO trigger and hated the caliber (9mm). Living in California (don't get me started) limits the type of pistols available to the general public as those deemed "acceptable" by the Department of Justice. The information I received from Sig dealers indicated this model wasn't going to get approval due to a number of features it lacked (ie: magazine disconnect). Fortunately, at the time I first saw this pistol I was a full time (but soon to be retired) peace officer. For a few months longer, I could buy any handgun I wanted. What I liked about the P250, wasn't just the trigger it was the weapon's adaptability.

According to the dealer who showed me the pistol and emphasized by Sig's website was the unique ability to "soon" be able to convert it to my calibers of preference (.40 or .45)! Due to my pending retirement, I wasn't going to be in a position to purchase a .40 or .45 caliber P250. I had to decide whether or not to go with the 9mm, so I could convert it later or do without. Adaptability wasn't just a benefit, it was a major factor for making the purchase.

I bought the pistol in March or April, after being told by Sig-Sauer dealers and customer reps that conversion kits would be out by May. Although I found some .40 S&W magazines for the Compact P250 around that time, here we are rapidly approaching September with no .40 caliber pistols or conversion kits to be found! Additionally, rumor has it that Sig may not begin to market the conversion kits until after the complete pistol is made available in other calibers and sizes.

Yes as a stand alone 9mm, the P250 is a good pistol. Unfortunately, it doesn't do anything my P226 won't do without meeting the standard Sig-Sauer set: convertibility. If Sig is going to market this as a "system", they owe it to their customers to live up to their claim. Their website still touts the P250's versatility above all else! "Selling pistols" may be Sig's business, but they sold the P250 as being more than just a pistol and until those kits are available, it isn't.

P250 owners everywhere have reason to be anxious and I don't think any of us "jumped the gun" by holding the company to their promise.

Does anyone have an idea when the DA/SA trigger system will be out? I really want to get a P250 but with this trigger configuration.

Pullcords, understand your frustration, especially under your circumstances; but remember the serialized part you own is the "gun" and would not need an FFL for "kits" later, as you already own "trigger pack" This might be a little tricky, but think there is no issue you buying parts, as they are not a gun, after you retire? Realize this is not what you expected, but good news (I think) is you can buy kits when they do come!

Should make sense that they would not put out "parts kits" until they've put some of completed guns in customer's hands for awhile! While gun makers, car makers, etc. do extensive testing, it seems their testing protocols never match/equal what the public subjects them to, so that is also a part of consideration, I'm sure!

The one "constant" amongst gun makers is they are never on time, and usually never commit to any release date! H&K was 2 years late with P30 and H&K 45, for example. Sig is frequently months late with most of their models, with 250 "system" exacerbating the issue with all the multiple calibers and parts!

Again, you've likely surmounted the biggest hurdle in getting a 250 before retirement! The other components will come and you should not need FFL or DOJ approval for any of those parts? This conclusion may need confirmation, but that's the way it looks?

Those who've seen my posts over the years know I'm no Sig "apologist", as frequently take them to task for any number of things they do! Just have to have some patience in allowing the system to develop and mature! Don't know of anything more I can really say, as this post is substantially repetitive of an earlier one! Not being "dismissive" of your concerns, just no additional information to impart!

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Originally posted by Tecumseh:
Does anyone have an idea when the DA/SA trigger system will be out? I really want to get a P250 but with this trigger configuration.

Probably never, its too simple a gun for that. Why do you think they would?

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Originally posted by Ordnance Outsell:
Pullcords, understand your frustration, especially under your circumstances; but remember the serialized part you own is the "gun" and would not need an FFL for "kits" later, as you already own "trigger pack" This might be a little tricky, but think there is no issue you buying parts, as they are not a gun, after you retire? Realize this is not what you expected, but good news (I think) is you can buy kits when they do come!

Not being "dismissive" of your concerns, just no additional information to impart!

Jerry- Thanks for the response. I realized at the time that once I had the pistol, I should be able to buy components needed to convert the system. That's why I bought it, in a caliber I didn't want!

I don't think you're being "dismissive" towards P250 owners' concerns about the missing "kits", but I wouldn't be so generous in my assessment of Sig. The problem doesn't involve FFLs or DOJ, it's the corporation that promised buyers something they haven't lived up to. This isn't similar to delays in marketing pistols shown at the SHOT show or elsewhere. It does resemble closely the "issues" those marketing the "Bren 10" had when they sold pistols, but promised magazines later! How many buyers waited how long before those promises were kept?

Before Sig starts producing new products (like the .22 caliber P226 conversion kits), they should take care of their customers who bought P250s!

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Originally posted by Ordnance Outsell:

John, don't think I've spoken to you in a couple of years? Hope you're doing well? Hate to rely on my "befuddled memory"; but aren't you the guy that purchased a Sig for your son, returning from the military?

If you intended this for me.... sorry I am not him. Or he is not me.

I actually am Sigless - I am waiting (anxiously) for a .40 SubCompact.

John Davies
Spokane WA

so what's the latest word on the 45cal version? Last I could find posted in this thread is was due out in September-ish...is that still the leading rumor?

-Brian

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Originally posted by John E Davies:
For those of us who don't get Gun Tests - can you summarize what they said, or better yet, post a scan of the full article?

http://www.gun-tests.com/

You can subscribe online and have access to their "Gun Vault" which is a tremendous resource. I think the subscription is less than $30/year. Given that it is a small company that relies on subscription fees and accepts no commercial advertisement, I wouldn't feel comfortable scanning and posting the entire article.


In summary of that article: all three guns were winners but the SIG P250c 9mm was quickest in their handling test. They said it was an entirely worthwhile purchase, regardless of the ability to swap modules/frames/calibers.

I was at the range last night to blow off some steam and shoot a couple hundred rounds through my 250 and Skeeter. The owner loaned me a speed loader and to my amazement I was able to get 16 rounds in the 250 mags by using this device, first time I have ever used one. Previously no matter how hard I manually pushed I could never get the 16th into the mags. I know one item that I will be picking up at the September gun show. Now I am wondering if the mag spring will retain the tension required to properly feed is I stress it out with 16 rounds on a consistant basis, guess only time will tell.

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Originally posted by Salty1:
The owner loaned me a speed loader and to my amazement I was able to get 16 rounds in the 250 mags by using this device, first time I have ever used one.

Do you know which loader it was that he loaned you?

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Originally posted by Lepoer:

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Originally posted by Salty1:
The owner loaned me a speed loader and to my amazement I was able to get 16 rounds in the 250 mags by using this device, first time I have ever used one.

Do you know which loader it was that he loaned you?

I have an Uplula universal pistol loader and it is well worth the $25-30 price tag. They have video's on it on you tube. Makes it very easy to load mags with stiff springs. Their AR15 loader works very good as well.

It was the Uplula and I was very impressed, I was told they are $20 to $25 at the gun shows but typically run out fast once people see how easy they are to use. See if anybody you know has one and take it for a test run. The investment will be worth it.

Thanks, MC & Salty. I have heard great things about those Uplulas. My father in law has the rifle version and it makes loading and more importantly unloading the AR-15 mags a breeze.

I posted this request in another thread but it is worth a post here.

Sig please give us this in 9X19, 40s&w, and 45apc. Complete with FN type optic slot and available in tan.

Koga, a 9mm like in "digital camo" is due shortly! Not pleased about camo being mandatory; but will be in 9mm with TB

In case its missed... Here is a tutorial on complete disassembly and reassemble of the fire control unit.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/150601935/m/6961064631

If you have a mag that only fills to 15rounds here is an easy way to fix it. You can call Sig for two parts, #37 follower and #38 spring. They may be free if you ask nice. These two parts were different shown by the pics below.

Caution, if you like to tinker like I do, dont cut a link out of the bottom of the spring to make room. The spring for the 16round capacity has a unique, shorter overall profile.



Reposting this image from a while back.


Hope this adds to the body of knowledge on this thread.

BTW, it seemed SpeerGoldDots loaded easier than UMC JHP, um...anyone else? UpLula is on my shopping list at TGS.