So can somebody "chrono" the muzzle velocity and energy of "pen/pencil" in case I run out of ammo? Not to make light of an important issue, it's late Monday, and feel like a little levity!

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Originally posted by Ordnance Outsell:
So can somebody "chrono" the muzzle velocity and energy of "pen/pencil" in case I run out of ammo? Not to make light of an important issue, it's late Monday, and feel like a little levity!

Any one making a big stink without the warranty outcome is only making half a post. In the mean time, levity on... and keep shooten them "standard bics", I dont mind, I feel fine.

Gents,

Bear in mind that I am not a gunsmith, nor was the range guy. It was just a simple little test, that I found interesting when he did it. Hell, is it even good for the firing pin if you do this?

I'm not trying to make a stink about this. People posted concerns about the P250 and it's light primer stikes. I just posted my observations. Someone asked me why I don't find the 250 reliable, and I replied to the question.

Please, jokes aside- which I don't mind at all (got to have a sense of humor in my line of work), PM if you think something I posted was out of line.

This whole "BIC pen thing" was just an interesting first time observation. Again my observations are just one of a few thousand. Your mileage with the 250 will vary

-Rich

OK I'm one who needed to send back my 250 but it was not for light primer strikes. It was for FTE. They replaced the ejector and ejector spring. Too it back the the range....Ran flawless.

NOW:

I just tried the Bic pen test and I pointed it to the ceiling. The pen hit the ceiling. I pointed it above the kitchen table 6 to 8 ft away and it landed on the table. That is a world of difference from that and the pen not making it out of the barrel!!!

Those who have a 250 that does not launch a bic pen have a different weight spring and I bet they are the people who have had LPS's. I have over 300 rds through and not one LPS and I shot Blazer, Co Bon, white box stuff and other various SD rnds...



All of this sounds to me to be a huge variation between different 250's and thats why you read about different first hand experiences with this gun. SIG engineered a great pistol but it has a few early bugs to deal with. Mine has already been de bugged. I bet all these reports of issues will fade away as the yrs progress but all current problems can be easliy fixed by SIG anfd their fast customer service.
Some 250's are perfect and others have a problem. I will say that I love the gun and NOW, mine works perfect.

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Originally posted by Thrak:
John, what is EOTWAWKI??

"Acronym used by gun nuts and other paranoid people on their respective forums. Stands for End of The World as we Know it. Related to SHTF."

Another term you may see is "Katrina gun" - an AR15 or similar gun designed for the (hopefully temporary) collapse of social order....

I like acronyms, the weirder the better. Another favorite is ATGATT - motorcycle slang for "All the gear, all the time".

John Davies
Spokane WA

I have since decided to sell the 250. I have heard excellent things about Sig and the customer service, and I'm sure they will take care of thos who have problems.

I agree with those who posted about it having intiall releaes bugs. I'm sure the later version will be excellent. I will have to look into them at a later date. For now though, I will have to find something else to fit my needs.

As for Sigs in general, I trust my life with the 226R thats on my hip daily.

BY the way, since the gun is being sold locally to a non-leo, the mags are up for sale in the classified section.

-Rich

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Originally posted by motor:

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Originally posted by Ordnance Outsell:
So can somebody "chrono" the muzzle velocity and energy of "pen/pencil" in case I run out of ammo? Not to make light of an important issue, it's late Monday, and feel like a little levity!

Any one making a big stink without the warranty outcome is only making half a post. In the mean time, levity on... and keep shooten them "standard bics", I dont mind, I feel fine.

ya know... I've been one of the biggest supporters of this gun. I have it and love it. Only had 3-5 light strikes in 1400 rounds.

I saw that "test" and figured hey what the hell I'll give it a try. Much to my surprise the difference was tremendous!!

Sorry that you guys got all butt-hurt.

So when does the deer season start for muzzleloading Bic pistols?

I loaded my 250 up with some JHP +p Bics and took it out to the range. No FTF's and no FTE's. It ran just great. I was using the black ink, will try blue and red tomorrow and post a report.

Seriously though. I was intrigued by the test, so I checked my P250 vs the Beretta PX4 and Springfield XD. Both the 250 and the PX4 launched the pen at least 8 feet high. The PX4 shot the pen about a foot higher. Suprisingly, the XD was the one that came up short. It couldn't even get the pen out of the barrel.

I have not had any light strike problems with any of the ammo I have shot through the P250. I keep journals on all my guns and have shot just about every major factory ammo plus quite a few reloads.

I will say that my XD has never had a problem either with over 3000 rounds through it. So, I am not sure what the "Bic" test proves, but at least I know that the P250 can get it up!

I noticed the red Bics fly farther, must be the lower density ink. And, yes, I'm joking.

Don't forget the "fatter Bics" won't shoot as far, as their "bullet weight" is greater! Of course +P, or +P+ can help! Guaranteed to penetrate a sheet of newspaper at 7 feet! Surely enough stopping power for any North American game! Uh oh, "Monday syndrome" is repeating itself today!

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Originally posted by Lepoer:
I was intrigued by the test, so I checked my P250 vs the Beretta PX4 and Springfield XD. Both the 250 and the PX4 launched the pen at least 8 feet high.

Whats the last digits of your ser#?

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Originally posted by Thrak:

Whats the last digits of your ser#?

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I purchased mine about 5 months ago but the serial number is 0005xx. I assume that means that it was one of the first 600 made?

yeah.. mine is 0002xx... hmm.

Guys, thanks for taking the time to research the light strike issue.
When I started the other thread, I didn't realize this one was going into the realm of reliability issues with the gun, as I thought it only related to the 250's release.
thanks again, and keep us posted.
JP

I was cruising the magazine section of my grocery store - and I found no less than three gun rags that have tests on the P250. I glanced through each article and saw pretty much the same Sig PR stuff and photos. None talked about availability of the different versions.

All of the authors thought the gun shot "great" and the modularity was "great" and it was a "great" gun... pretty much what they said about all the other guns tested.

I guess three new reviews in one month means something....? I dunno.

John Davies
Spokane WA

John, it is significant because likely had heavy ad presence in all those publications.....not that this affected any editorial decisions, of course!

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Originally posted by Ordnance Outsell:
John, it is significant because likely had heavy ad presence in all those publications.....not that this affected any editorial decisions, of course!

Of course not! John, if you haven't already, check out Gun-Tests.com. The print "magazine" (more like a nice newsletter) accepts no commercial advertising and does pretty objective testing and tells the good and the bad. I got sick of the commercial magazines only ever having praise for every single pistol.

The one thing I will say is it seems that the Gun-Tests guys are a bit 1911-biased, but they own up to that most times.

You'd undoubtedly find their review more useful.

If Sig doesn't get off the stick soon and start making the conversion kits available, I'm going to write this series off as JAFDAO (Just Another F**king DAO)! Yes, it has a nice trigger, but it's reason for being (in my collection) is it's supposed flexibility as a "system." Without those kits (priced within reason), this is only a "system" of ripping off Sig customers.

Scrappy, Gun Tests is a pretty good source and I do subscribe! Kinda like a "Consumer Reports" for guns; but they do often have a bias! Never the less, very useful! Don't remember them having a report on 250? As I keep all issues in a binder, can you tell me when it was? Thanks!

Pullcords, while I can understand yours and frustration of others about the kits, it is Sig's business to sell complete guns, so kits will come after all primary models have been released, which should make sense, if you think about it? They will come! I know "instant gratification" is sometimes not quick enough for me! LOL