Has it really been a year since ths post?

I have had my eye on the P-250 for over a year now.

Has the testing in 45 acp gone well?

Are we going to see it released soon?

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Originally posted by Salty1:
I spoke with Jennifer today in Customer Service. She told me to expect to see the caliber conversion kits right after labor day and also said they will have a 22 caliber kit as well.

Too bad she didn't say Labor Day of what year!

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I have had my eye on the P-250 for over a year now. Has the testing in 45 acp gone well?Are we going to see it released soon?

I shot a match last week with the staff from the Sig Academy. On some off time I was discussing that with one of the Special Projects guys. He informed me the 45ACP will be out within a few weeks.

So you guys are saying that the special color grip modules will only be available if you buy a new gun? Thats ridiculous!!! I am not about to buy a new gun just to get a special color. I bought into the "hype" about the modularity of this pistol. So far for my effort, I have been rewarded with a 9mm pistol (that does its job well and I have no complaints about that) in one caliber, one color, and the wrong magazine (which I have not even brought up to them yet). I would think that they would want to sell me different grip modules, after all they are in the business to make money. I may just end up selling it if the "modularity" of this pistol does not come to bear fruit soon.

I agree with Hawk88... I hold out hope for the 45 coming soon as promised as well as this modularity which is the main reason I bought the gun.

Of course, all the kits will probably go to police or military customers and I'll still be stuck with the 9mm. There's nothing wrong with the gun... it's actually one of my favorites. Even my dad, the former Marine, had positives to say when he shot it.

He was also excited to tell me to buy the 45 conversion for personal defense and I'm still waiting. I can't even find out where to buy different sized grips right now. Even when the kits come out, if I can't buy one what is the point?

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Originally posted by Hawk88:
So you guys are saying that the special color grip modules will only be available if you buy a new gun? Thats ridiculous!!!

You're giving the regular members here much too much credit for insider information if you believe we set SIG Sauer's marketing policies. My answer included the word "guess," which is an indication that I was speculating, not that I knew. Ordnance Outsell used the expression "likely correct," and that's another indication of uncertain knowledge.

None of this really matters, of course, except for the fact that some of us don't see any reason why outrage over a trivial issue that's based on SIG's corporate decisions should be directed at the messengers. And especially when the message is "a guess."

The ironic thing about all this is that if P250 grip modules were produced in black only, everyone who wanted the gun would be perfectly content with them.

Maybe I should have said "thats ridiculous if true" since it was not directed at who stated (guessed) that was the case. The ironic thing would be that a couple of days before Sig posted the digital camo version, I was talking with a buddy and said that it would be cool if Sig offered different colors grips. The cell phone market exploded with this. After all, I would love to have a Hello Kitty grip module to match my phone (just kidding!!).

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Originally posted by Hawk88:
After all, I would love to have a Hello Kitty grip module to match my phone (just kidding!!).

YOU may be kidding, but given her other accessories, I'm pretty sure my wife would snatch one of those up immediately...

Just got back from the range, and finally had a chance to baptize my 250...

Here's the report-

Only shot approximtaley 80 rounds through the gun. But out of those 80 rounds, I had 11 light primer strikes. My school of training is to immediately eject the bad round, and go throught the whole "tap, rack, bang" drill. After the first 3 light strikes (had to stop my muscle memory), i would pull the trigger a second time to see if the gun would go bang. 4 of the rounds went bang- the others had to be ejected.

FYI, the rounds used were factory Fiocchi (SP?) 9mm. That could have been the problem. Unfortunately, I didn't have my AE rounds on hand to see if it was a ammo failure. I did use these same rounds in a Glock 26 without failure. I checked the primer stikes of the rounds that didn't go bang, and it seemed like it should have done so??? The glock rounds did have more of an indention.

I am not bashing the 250. I like the gun, and the trigger ( although a shorter trigger would be nicer). This light primer strike problem is unsettling though.

Anyone have advice to chim in?

-Rich

I found that with S&B (hard primers) I had a light strike rate of about 4%, while with Fiocchi it was about 1%. It concerns me a little, which is why I'm reluctant to carry it just yet.

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Originally posted by Rich9644:
I am not bashing the 250. I like the gun, and the trigger ( although a shorter trigger would be nicer). This light primer strike problem is unsettling though.

Anyone have advice to chim in?

-Rich

I not only like the 250, I think it's great. Well, it needs a DAK-style intermediate reset like, yesterday, but that aside.. The light-strike issue is real and has prevented me from buying my own. My experience with them has shown me that the gun can light-strike on ammo that is 100% reliable in Glocks. Primer indents are weaker than from the Glocks, so it makes sense, I guess. Just the way it is. I wonder if Sig is aware of the issue and working on some spring tweaking? I'd sure like to see the issue become a non-issue. It bothers me that Sig took the trigger pull too close to the borderline for complete reliability. Adequate testing would have turned up some of these light strikes for them, one might think. The 250 is such a solid gun otherwise. Feels good, shoots nice, uses steel rails, is DAO, and is less expensive than the Classic models.

I've personally never had a problem. I use the Remington UMC FMJ yellow box ammo for practice and never had a failure. I also put some federal JHP through it just fine.

I'm a bit of a noob gun owner, but for me this gun has been more consistent and predictable than a lot of the others I've tried at the range (like Glock, Springfield and Ruger... of course those were rentals and they were still very good guns).

I have not had a single issue with my 250. It just keeps running Remington UMC 115g boxes and boxes thru it flawlessly.

I thought the WWB flawed the gun with too much soot. IMHO

I think we would all like to hear if a Sig250 owner has asked for a "light strike" gun to be repaired. I have always found their warranty service to be quick. I would like to hear about the warranty repair of a gun vs gripes about the gun.

I've never had a problem with my P250 either. It has worked flawlessly firing off every round I've put through it the first time. There has been no need to eject rounds or pull the trigger a second time to get it to fire.

So, how many people have had a greater than 1% instance of light strikes. Only 1 that I've read so far. There may be more but I just haven't heard of it yet since I haven't been a member here that long.

The "zing" of the P250 is the conversion kit. Without the conversion kit it loses a good bit of it's reason for being. The conversion kits put the "modular" in "modular".

No conversion kits one year out and very spare availability of grip modules.

Alright Gents,

Here's the update...


Went to the local range to test fire the 250. Unfortunately, I only had a few minutes. I shot 100 rounds of American Eagle 9mm. No problems at all. I didn't have the glock to check primer strikes, nor did I remember to take pictures. I broutht it out to the range master, who did an interesting check of the strength of the primer strike (If you decide to try this at home, i'm not responsible for any damages to the gun!)
He dropped a standard bic pen down the barrel, and pointing the barrel upwards, shot pulled the trigger to see how far it went. When compared with a kimber 1911, the 250 fell way short. I tried it at home and compared it to my HK P2000 .40. The 250 travelled way short compared to the P2000.

Again, the 250 did NOT have any troubles with the American Eagle Ammo. Anybody have any suggestions to make the gun more reliable? I WILL NOT carry this gun off-duty, until I can get it to shoot reliably with all ammo.

I know AR's can be picky when it comes to ammo, but i've never had ammo problems when it comes to handguns.

_Rich

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Originally posted by Rich9644:
I WILL NOT carry this gun off-duty, until I can get it to shoot reliably with all ammo.

May I ask why?

Many guns are picky... if you find a good defensive load that is 100% reliable, use that and don't worry about other brands or types.

That's the purpose of range testing.

OTH an EOTWAWKI gun should digest any and all types, because you never know where your next ammo will come from.

John Davies
Spokane WA

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Originally posted by Rich9644:
I broutht it out to the range master, who did an interesting check of the strength of the primer strike (If you decide to try this at home, i'm not responsible for any damages to the gun!)
He dropped a standard bic pen down the barrel, and pointing the barrel upwards, shot pulled the trigger to see how far it went. When compared with a kimber 1911, the 250 fell way short. I tried it at home and compared it to my HK P2000 .40. The 250 travelled way short compared to the P2000.

Thats an interesting test... I just tried it with my P250 compared to a late-90's P220 and a Bersa Thunder.380.

The P250 couldnt get the pen out of the barrel, while the P220 and Bersa both shot the pen WAYYY into the air.

I did notice however, that the extractor on the P250 was tighter and I needed to push the pen in a little bit to get it past it.


John, what is EOTWAWKI??

Here's the facts-

The gun will not shoot 100% reliably. It does in fact have a light primer strike. What would you carry- a firearm that shoots everything reliably, or a firearm that shoot only certain ammo reliably? Do you have a 250?

I do not mean to bash the 250. I think Sig makes excellent handguns. I trust my issued 226 with my life daily. While on duty, I have to draw my gun quite frequently (unfortunately...comes with the neighborhood I work in), I have shot the gun with multiple ammo, and I KNOW it will work when I need it too., despite being banged around on a dily basis.

I do not favor one manufacturer over another. If I came off as a "fanboy" (or whatever it is called on the internet these days), I did not mean to do so. I do not get into the "Glock" versus "1911" debates". I would like warn others to inspect there 250 before they decide to trust their life on it. I'm not going to say I'm going to trust my life with the 250 based on what i've seen so far with it. I really wanted to like the gun...it has not met my expectations. Maybe it has to be sent in for repairs?

Honestly, in my opinion, I don't know why somebody would bring a gun that isn't 100% reliable to a gun fight. If it is picky with ammo, you will find a gun that isn't.

I am not a gun guru, and don't claim to be. I did my test with the firearm, and witnessed my own results. Your mileage may vary. I'vespoken enough about this.

-Rich

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Originally posted by Thrak:

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Originally posted by Rich9644:
I broutht it out to the range master, who did an interesting check of the strength of the primer strike (If you decide to try this at home, i'm not responsible for any damages to the gun!)
He dropped a standard bic pen down the barrel, and pointing the barrel upwards, shot pulled the trigger to see how far it went. When compared with a kimber 1911, the 250 fell way short. I tried it at home and compared it to my HK P2000 .40. The 250 travelled way short compared to the P2000.

Thats an interesting test... I just tried it with my P250 compared to a late-90's P220 and a Bersa Thunder.380.

The P250 couldnt get the pen out of the barrel, while the P220 and Bersa both shot the pen WAYYY into the air.

I did notice however, that the extractor on the P250 was tighter and I needed to push the pen in a little bit to get it past it.


John, what is EOTWAWKI??

That made me laugh... it stands for "End of the World as We Know It"... REM is from GA so you should know!