Yeah, for $530 to change grip size and caliber, I could just go buy another complete Glock, and still have $50 left for ammo. I was really hoping that the 250 would be the Sig to pull me back from the darkside, but its not looking that way. I guess I might as well accept it, I am a Glock guy now....

You're making decisions based on rumors about the price of something that isn't even on the market yet. MSRP is just that - SUGGESTED. You won't know the street price until these items have been READILY available for a while.

P250s range from $575 to $699 in local gun stores. The Ruger SR9s were $525 the first month they hit the stores, are down to $425 now ...

Yeah, but some folks actually want to buy the 250.

I got my P250 today. I really like it. My dealer knew little about the parts availability and price. The story is that Sig is waiting until the "Official" anouncement at shot show this weekend before they start releasing everything. So far I am happy eith mine.

It looks like Gun Tests is going to be doing a DAO polymer pistol comparo in their next issue.

Regarding changing calibers....
If you hit up Froogle and search for P250 parts you'll see that some retailers have already added parts to their website, although out of stock. Using this and some figuring on my part, changing calibers looks like it'd be more around $230 ?
Sportsman's depot lists .40 barrels as being $190 and mags seem to run at most $40. I'm thinking this is all one should need to switch calibers.
My P229 .40 mag fits into my 9mm P250 easily (not functionally of course) so I can't see why you'd need a new frame. The end of the .40 barrel fits into the hole of the slide as well.

Just a thought, and I could be completely wrong. If I do need a new complete upper to change calibers I'll be pretty disappointed.

To go from 9x19 to 40 you will need:

Slide
barrel
mags

Breech face on the 9x19 slide is too small for the 40/357/45 cases.

Dealer here said P250 upper (slide/bbl) is $450, mags are $40 each.

FWIW, I ordered the 16 round mags and paddle holsters direct from SIG-SAUER.

The mags are marked 15 and 15 is all I could get in 'em.

The paddle holster fits waaaay to far away from the body for concealment; with a belt attachment would make a good duty holster (similar to Blackhawk's SERPA retention rigs).

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Picked up a SIG 250 the other day. I think it's a nice gun and a good idea, but I have to wonder if it's marketed wrong. Having a gun that's convertible is an interesting idea, but selling it as a complete gun in one configuration would seem to defeat the purpose.

Personally, if I find a gun that I like, I'll wait for it to come out in the caliber and configuration that I want. I can't see many people buying a bunch of conversions and swapping out configurations frequently. It soulds like buying the base gun and one caliber conversion turns a $600 gun into a $1000 gun, and that's a big chunk of change. If I have a gun and want to get the same gun in a different caliber and/or size, I'll simply trade in my old one and it will cost a lot less than $400 to trade up. Any what's up with having to buy different frames for different grip sizes. A lot of competing guns come with interchangable backstraps included in the price of the gun.

It seems to me that the way the 250 should have been marketed and sold is by selling the parts separately. In other words, you buy the metal frame that has the serial number and the fire control parts, and then buy the slide/caliber and frame that you want separately. It's like having a custom gun made for each person instead of buying one base configuration and then paying (a lot) extra to make it how you want.

One final thought. Like many others, I can only get 15 rounds in the "16 round" magazines.

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It seems to me that the way the 250 should have been marketed and sold is by selling the parts separately. In other words, you buy the metal frame that has the serial number and the fire control parts, and then buy the slide/caliber and frame that you want separately. It's like having a custom gun made for each person instead of buying one base configuration and then paying (a lot) extra to make it how you want.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly Sig's first intent for this modular design is to market to law enforcement and the military. But there is a huge civilian market that I think would respond to this "build your own" concept. I plan to buy a 250. Until I can compare the grip/trigger options, it is like buying any other pistol, i.e., make my hand fit the gun rather than the other way around.

I think it is kind of funny all of the constant, for lack of a better word, complaining, that is being done regarding the P250.

First, unless I missed something, the P250 is still and has, since late November/early December, been in the pre-release stage. This means limited numbers only in the 9mm, compact version are available. While this might not be an overall excuse for Sig not to have distributed full information on pricing/options for the caliber changes, it also is not a big negative on their part. Sig released some into the civilian market place to see what the response would be. Does anyone expect that Sig should have rolled out giant displays with all options available until all of the different calibers/frame sizes actually are available to be sold? Or had reps going around to all of the gun stores in the United States to do a crash course on a gun that is not available in wide release to do a full presentation on all of the goodies that won't be available until later this year? Based upon the gripes here, if Sig did this everyone would complain about how stupid they were for marketing something they did not have the supply to back up and sell. Heck, if Sig does any consumer testing, or at the least, pays attention to websites such as this (as we know they do) they have seen a large amount of complaining about the P250 by people who have not even shot one.

Remember a few years ago when the P250 was just a rumor? Well it is here and it is a pretty damn innovative weapon. I don't remember all of the hype leading up to it finally being a reality, but I do not recall any of the rumors involving a removable firing system capable of swapping frames and calibers to suit the individual shooter's needs. What has HK, Glock, or any other major manufacturer done that is in any way more innovative? Give the USP a cosmetic make over with the same crappy trigger (P30)? Shave down the size of the grip to finally make it managable (SF21/30)? It seems that even when Sig tries no one can even be happy for the effort.

Also, the speculation on what the caliber changes are is just that, speculation. At my shop, it is $400 MSRP for the slide/barrel/recoil spring set up, according to the catalog. Does anyone really think that the MSRP will actually be what it sells for? If anyone out there can buy new Glocks in all the calibers for under that price, please buy all that you can. Hell, I might even take a few for that price.

I love my P250. As soon as possible, I am going to have the .357 Sig upper, and then a .40 barrel. After that, I may buy a second one in .45. Talk about the ultimate "end of the know world" go-to pistol. Same firing mechanism and trigger, same holsters/carry gear (once the manufactures catch up) and in every major pistol caliber, all in a reliable Sig package. What else would you ever need? How could you ever run out of ammo for it?

I bought one, based not so much on the modular concept; but on the fact that it felt good in my hand, I like the DAO trigger and it happens I was in the market for a compact 9mm. After the first 150 rounds thus far; it's a stellar performer. A new Sig for under $600 (at my dealer)? Modular or not, it's just a really nice gun and a great value as-is. IMHO, YMMV.

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Originally posted by t101:
I think it is kind of funny all of the constant, for lack of a better word, complaining, that is being done regarding the P250.

I agree, and in this case "funny" not only refers to "strange" but also to "hilarious."

If the gun were released as nothing more than a new plastic-frame 9mm autoloading pistol with a smooth, light trigger that offered the option of changing grip sizes, many people would buy it just as it is. Add in the possibility, though, of putting different slide assemblies on the same fire control unit (frame) and now costs and availability of the conversion parts become major issues for some reason. It's like wanting a SIG chambered for 45 ACP, but refusing to purchase a P220ST because that model can be converted to 10mm and that would run nearly $1000.

At this point the P250 should be evaluated on the basis of here and now; if you don't want one, don't buy one. If you're thinking of one gun that offers the option of shooting several different cartridges from the same serial-numberd frame, wait. The components aren't even available yet, much less have they been tested in actual use.

Last night I got to play with a P250, P2000 LEM, Glock 19, Walther P99, and a SIG P229 all in 9mm (Utah members, two thumbs up for Gunnies in Orem). My impression of the P250 was that the trigger was incredibly smooth. I much preferred it to the LEM and Walther QA. As for feel and handling, I liked it as much as an H&K P2000 which is my favorite pistol based on ergonomics. In eyeing the pistol, it seemed to have the dimensions of a Glock 19 which would make it good for CCW. Two interesting issues, the rear of the slide looks like they forgot to completely mill the thing -- it looked open to me. I can't help but wonder if this design could effect reliability in a harsh/dirty environment. This is a picture forum member SGT45 took and posted on an earlier post. It shows a P250 and a Glock 19 and the rear of their slides. I think this is a great picture of the "open" slide.

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Secondly, the barrel would move back and forth when the slide was locked back. I have never seen play like this in any other pistol design. I'm assuming it is because of the modular design of the pistol. The pistol seemed very light and fast. Think Beretta Silver Pigeon vs. Browning Citori. One question this raises is whether or not the pistol will have extra recoil in hard calibers like the 40 S&W. Although, to be fair, I think you will still be able to be back on target in a timely fashion. As mentioned, I really liked the trigger. I think that many people who don't like the DA/SA transition or who are not comfortable with carrying a striker pistol, with a round in the chamber, will really like this pistol. All in all, I loved the ergonomics and looks of the pistol. I would like to see some long-term "torture" tests to see how the design holds up. I especially want to see if the slide is an avenume for excess dirt to collect inside the workings of the pistol.

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Originally posted by BB61:
[T]he rear of the slide ... looked open to me.

Is it really any different than any other exposed-hammer design, such as P-series SIGs? The visual impression may be that it is, but in a point-by-point comparison it seems about the same to me.

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Originally posted by BB61:
[T]he rear of the slide ... looked open to me.

Is it really any different than any other exposed-hammer design, such as P-series SIGs? The visual impression may be that it is, but in a point-by-point comparison it seems about the same to me.

It really looked more open and was a design I had never seen before. I'll concede my lack of engineering expertise may have me making an issue out of something that isn't an issue.

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Originally posted by BB61:
It really looked more open and was a design I had never seen before. I'll concede my lack of engineering expertise may have me making an issue out of something that isn't an issue.

Dunno what ya mean either. Looked at my G19 and P250 slides, and the P250 looked _less_ open to the elements/crud than the G19 to me. On the G19 slide you can see the firing pin; the channel it is in is open/exposed at the rear. In the P250 it is closed.

If you mean it is "relieved" where the hammer rests when down, that's different. Any hammer fired gun could be stopped by something that kept the hammer from coming back/going forward. Hasn't been a major prob for the other SIGs and HKs so far, don't think this will be any different.

In 9/40/357 the P250 is heavier than the G19/23/32, so recoil shouldn't be a problem. Might flip more since the bore axis is higher. I haven't noticed any prob w +P/+P+ 9x19 so fare compared to my G19.

Considering the 9/40/357/45 use the same frame/grip frame, the P250 should be pretty durable. Anything that can handle at least 20K rounds of 40/357/45 +P should handle a lot more in 9x19, even at +P/NATO/+P+ pressures.

Ya wanna worry about something, worry about how hard that light DAO trigger hits the primers. Put a pencil in the bbl, hold the gun up, see how high it goes when ya pull the trigger. Not as high as a G19, and the G19 is not as high as a 1911/BHP/CZ75/M9(Beretta/M11(SIG)...

So far so good w mine at about 2500 rounds.

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Originally posted by BrokenArrow:
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Ya wanna worry about something, worry about how hard that light DAO trigger hits the primers. Put a pencil in the bbl, hold the gun up, see how high it goes when ya pull the trigger. Not as high as a G19, and the G19 is not as high as a 1911/BHP/CZ75/M9(Beretta/M11(SIG)...

So far so good w mine at about 2500 rounds.[/QUOTE]

Have you used ammunition with a "hard" primer? In short, what type of ammunition have you used? I'm glad to hear you've had 2500 rounds with no problems. I'm a little gunshy after the Mosquito debacle and the early rail problems with the 556s. I really am interested in one of these but I'm taking a wait and see -- I also want a .45 or 40S&W.

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Originally posted by BB61:

Have you used ammunition with a "hard" primer? In short, what type of ammunition have you used?

115 FMJ Fed/Win/Speer/Magtech
115 Fed/Win/Rem JHP
115 +P CorBon DPX

124 GD
124 +P Speer GD
124 HS

92.6 Magtech First Defense SCHP

147 Speer GD, Rem GS, Fed HS, Win USA JHP

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Utah members, two thumbs up for Gunnies in Orem.

Gunnies... How does he compare to Van Wagenen on the P250? I'm simply curious, as I lived in Orem many years ago, and sold guns at the Provo Gart's

Always felt like I needed a shower after leaving Van Wagenen's.