Buran, I picked up the PPS a few weeks ago and love it. I also have a P250 9mm which I wanted to find something of similar trigger (DAO and pull lb.)and system with as little recoil as well...The PPS seems to fit the bill. It has just a fraction more recoil than the 250 (if any). I was able to shoot it just as well out of the box as my 250...I was shocked (for a 3" barrel)and no hiccups of any kind...although my Sig was perfect as well. If your looking for extra mags try "Andean"...or look on the Walther forum...I was able to order a "7" from them...ordered on a Monday got it on Wednesday. Its an excellent little pistol and has become my primary carry. Enjoy!

I just filed a BBB complaint on sig concerning their continued advertising of their MODULAR 250 pistol with lack of modular parts and repeated "Out of stock" messages on their site.

KRAMER Handgun Leather:

I have found this to be the best IWB Holster that I have ever worn : #3 Horsehide IWB

for the P-250 in 45 acp.

Most of you know not all holsters are created equal...... and I found it was well worth the 4 month wait for my Kramer Horsehide Holster !!

I was using a holster that looked very similar to the Kramer, made by Don Hume, while waiting for it to be built. Man, was it uncomfortable .... and once the pistol was drawn, it could NOT be returned one-handed !! The difference was like night and day when I first strapped on the Kramer ..... the 45 acp pistol no longer dug into my hip. The CANT of the #3 is pretty extreme....allowing the pistol to lay at a greater angle.

The pistol is held tightly in place without straps & doesn't depend on the belt to supply pressure for holding the weapon. So the draw is very FAST !!

And to top off the whole ordeal ........ the owners of Kramer Handgun Leather are great people to deal with. I changed my order from the original Internet Order ...... and e-mailed the staff to see if they could take care of the "change". I got a prompt reply ..... and the order was just as I wanted it .... 4 months later !!! I would have been happy getting either holster that was being discussed .... but to get the updated hoslster was icing on the cake.

If you need a hoslster .......do yourself a big favor and check out Kramer's website.

JF.

Jerry,

Still nothing. Frustratingly, I'm still not having any real luck. I'm meeting with a recruiter at a long-term-position placement agency, tomorrow and I am hoping that that might go somewhere. I'm writing more cover letters right now... but the whole thing is a huge, huge drag.

SGFvr & Jerry,

I am very, very pleased with the PPS. The 9mm has less recoil than the .40 250 (.40 does have a reputation for having a kick, though) and not only did my accuracy immediately vastly improve (remember when I thought I was flinching? That's gone now), but I also no longer have pain in my trigger finger from the trigger hitting my finger during recoil, and the gun fits my hand much, much better overall. I am able to rack the slide with no trouble, so I don't miss the slide release on the right side, though I'd love to see a revised PPS offer this even so. The magazine release is different from what most guns use, but it works fine.

Now I just need to get a holster and a smaller mag since I'm borderline between needing the extra grip length provided by the included magazine (strangely, only got one even though reviews seemed to say 3 would be in the box) and not needing it. I also need to practice with the CCW purse I will use in some situations, though I suspect that once I have a holster, I'll mostly use it.

I would also like to have night sights (I think Walther has some... but I'm not sure if they're imported to the US yet) and a light for when it gets used as a bedside gun (it does have a rail).

KogaShuko,

It'll be interesting to see how they respond, though the BBB can't actually do anything. I tried to use them to get a company that was defrauding me to stop doing so, and they administratively closed the complaint after the offender refused several times to fork over the money owed me.

Sniper, can only agree with you about Kramer quality! Have been using their horsehide OWB and paddle holsters for years and no retention device is needed for these either! Have heard there are new owners at Kramer? If they continue the stellar quality of the past, they should have a bright future.

A very ehtical member of this forum carries Kramer info@tacticalgungear.com He stocks some for Sig, Glock (I think), maybe others?

Buran, sorry to hear your job search is not going all that well; but you have a huge amount of company/competition, as you well know! Just hang in there! In many cases, "temp agency" jobs not only can fill the gap; but turn into full time jobs, after the company gets to know the temp and their work ethic!

Glad you're having good luck with PPS and certainly 9 is more manageable than 40, as you have found out!Polymer frame guns,due to lighter weight are "snappier", offset some by fact that polymer frame guns flex a little during recoil. As luck would have it, the 250 SC are out now and TT version is available from us.

Interesting comment you made about holster and gun purse? In most instances the women I talk with don't want to carry "on their body" and prefer the purse. Realize a woman's "natural curvature" affects how many holsters tip the back of the gun into them, poking in the side. There are supposed to be holster makers that design theirs not to do this; but cannot recall who they are? www.rigrate.com has been a good holster resource for many. Think Insight/Streamlite makes a "mini" light with 60-80 lumens that should work nicely?

Jennifer, good luck with job search and good shooting! So now you don't flinch even when you shoot with your eyes open? LOL

I'm not sure if flinching was the best word - probably "anticipating" would be better. I didn't save the target or take a picture, but as soon as I started on the first mag my shots were hitting the center (red area) of the target. I didn't think I was that bad (I'd shot pistols/revolvers a few times in the past), and now I know I wasn't! The trigger shape is different from the P250's, and I think that is also a factor, and not something that can really be changed on the 250 - the short trigger did not help.

Holsters are definitely going to be something I'm going to have to look into carefully. I'm 5'4.5" and need to lose some weight (already have lost 40 pounds or so! But still a way to go), but even when I get to a "normal" BMI, womens' bodies are different, as you know/said. I am pretty tomboyish (if I ever meet you, you'll pick up on that fast) and I like to wear jeans and t-shirts (though if I get a job where I have to wear business casual, it'll be blouses/polos and khaki-type pants). I do have some dresses and formalish outfits in the closet, but I only wear those occasionally.

I tucked the gun into my waistband in a few positions and found that a relatively extreme muzzle-forward cant around 10 seems to be comfortable and allows me to sit and move around. Now I have to see what I can find that I like that meets those requirements and will fit on a surplus military dress belt. I like dress belts because I'm not relegated to a few buckle holes and can make it any size I want. I have a couple in different colors (red, white, blue, black - the shop I went to was out of the khaki shorter ones when I was there). I imagine they should hold a holster just fine.

Buran, was mainly just teasing about "flinching" comment above! If your groups were low and left and if you are right handed, then yes you were "anticipating"? Low right, if left handed. Be careful about tucking in waistband, as some states, like here in Georgia, stipulate acceptable modes of carry, requiring holster?

Congrats on that weight loss! Not easy to do what you have done!

Jerry,

I know you were kidding! Don't worry - no offense was ever imagined or taken. But I did realize I used the wrong term.

I don't plan to permanently tuck the gun into my waistband - that was just to see where it is comfortable and doesn't interfere with how I move around. I needed to know what kind of holster to look for.

Anyone know what happened to womensholsters.com?

As for the weight - thanks! I seem to have plateaued for now, but hopefully I'll lose more pretty soon...

Buran, sometimes hard to know about kidding without vocal inflections and facial expressions, so glad you realized intent!

Have to admit I've never heard of womensholsters.com? You might want to google the subject? Don't know if www.rigrate.com which is a website dedicated to holsters could help?

As you undoubtedly know, plateau's are common, just stick with it and don't get discouraged!

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Originally posted by Buran:

I don't plan to permanently tuck the gun into my waistband - that was just to see where it is comfortable and doesn't interfere with how I move around. I needed to know what kind of holster to look for.

I'm 5'11" and have a 9 inch difference between my waist and hips, and I'm not that thin (about 34-29-38). I've given up on belt holsters unless I have to qualify. I carry a Glock 27 and got a Ken Null USH shoulder rig (www.klnullholsters.com). It's slick when you learn how to work it, and it hangs upside down, I've just got an A-cup and the 27 disappears under a slightly oversize T-shirt. If I wear it under a blouse or jacket it vanishes completely and it's comfortable.

Cheap, about $100 for horsehide, though the straps are composite and I recommend a light shell top under them, though I've worn them next to the skin sveral times.

Miao, Cat

I have a P250 compact in 40 S&W on layaway with one more payment left (hurry up December!). I already have my Crossbreed SuperTuck Deluxe for it and have been wearing it daily (with my wife’s S&W M&P compact 9mm - sweet little gun also) just to break it in. I chose the 40 S&W because I wanted more "umph" than the 9mm. Not that I have anything against the 9mm, I just wanted a bigger caliber than my wife. Anyway, after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I settled on the P250 for several reasons:
1) Sig Sauer reputation - "To-Hell -And-Back-Reliability"
2) I wanted the modularity. I want 40 S&W, but have heard great things about the .357 Sig (impressive ballistics). My wife has 9mm, so I might want to go 9mm and plink with her. Many people are hardcore .45 so I might want to dabble with that as well. Options baby!
3) I love the way it feels in my hands. It just fits. Alas, I have not shot it yet thought.
4) Long term value.

So what has me on edge? The DAO trigger. I have pulled the trigger and it is smoooooth, but will I hate it over time? I saw a comment that the "DAO can become a bit boring at the range ". I think I know where he is coming from, but is it because you have to "think" about the trigger pull as opposed to a SA that is simple and crisp? How much does accuracy suffer because it is DAO? I believe that the trigger has a tremendous amount to do with your overall accuracy, so will I regret buying the gun for that one reason alone? I imagine that, just like anything else, I will get used to it and figure out to shoot accurately with it, but can someone please put my mind to rest!

Btw - I cannot say enough good things about the Crossbreed SuperTuck Deluxe. I know I made a good choice there.

quote:

I saw a comment that the "DAO can become a bit boring at the range ". I think I know where he is coming from, but is it because you have to "think" about the trigger pull as opposed to a SA that is simple and crisp? How much does accuracy suffer because it is DAO?

Speed on first target is great and even better on follow up shots, I have never shot quicker and more consitantly that this DAO trigger.

I love IDPA style shoots, isnt all just plain range shooting boring?

You are likely to be surprised how much you like it.

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Originally posted by motor:

Speed on first target is great and even better on follow up shots, I have never shot quicker and more consitantly that this DAO trigger.

I love IDPA style shoots, isnt all just plain range shooting boring?

You are likely to be surprised how much you like it.

Bless you, bless you, bless you! You have put my mind at ease! Sig guns are not cheap for a reason - quality. Nevertheless, it would be heart breaking to drop that kind of money and regret it. I was already excited about getting my P250, now I am trying to restrain myself from going and getting it today.

One other thing, given that you shoot IDPA style shoots, I take it accuracy is spot on in light of the DAO trigger?

Just picked up a subcompact in 9mm.

My first P250 compact was an EAU023xxx with a chemically etched number, the subcompact is a EAK004xxx with a scribed number.

The new EAK subcompact as received from the dealer/factory has white grease on the FCU wear surfaces and hammer springs whereas the first one EAU purchased had a brown grease only on the hammer springs and oil on the FCU wear surfaces.

Dry firing the new subcompact is amazing, its DAO trigger is ultra smooth. Hope to have a range report on it next week.

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Originally posted by 1911su16b870:
Just picked up a subcompact in 9mm.

My first P250 compact was an EAU023xxx with a chemically etched number, the subcompact is a EAK004xxx with a scribed number.

The new EAK subcompact as received from the dealer/factory has white grease on the FCU wear surfaces and hammer springs whereas the first one EAU purchased had a brown grease only on the hammer springs and oil on the FCU wear surfaces.

Dry firing the new subcompact is amazing, its DAO trigger is ultra smooth. Hope to have a range report on it next week.

If you'd be able to can you take some comparision pics with the Compact? I'd like to see the size difference. Also, what size frame came with the gun?

Thanks!

I had posted the link in another sigforum thread which goes to p250sig.com...

P250 Compact to Subcompact Pics.

The subcompact came with a small grip size fwiw is marked on the bottom of the back strap.