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This message has been edited. Last edited by: dwd1985,

Yup,

Reminded me of the time I brought my Kimber 10mm to the range. Very early 10mm for them. Jammed so much I was tempted to throw it on the roof and walk away.

Modified the magazines to feed the ammo properly and it has worked great ever since. But only with the modified mags.

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Called it a day after that, didnt want any more bad news.

Sorry to hear your bad news. Three strikes in one outing...

This message has been edited. Last edited by: arcwelder,

Yep. I have had those days. It is usually topped off by hot brass to the face and the arrival of novice shooters teaching their girlfriends to shoot, even though they don't know how themselves. It is best to call it a day.

Sometimes it just happens.

Are you sure you weren't limp wristing from fatigue? As all of them happened after 100+ rounds of no failures.

That's why I got out of the 1911 platform. The unexplainable malfunctions tired me out. I have thousands and thousands of rounds thru non 1911 pistols without a single issue.
The 1911 is a cool pistol, great single action trigger, they look good, but if you want trouble free range time I think the odds favor a more modern design.

I think there's an unrealistic expectation from some that there will be zero malfunctions with a modern firearm. This is a dangerous assumption.

It's a mechanical piece of equipment, subject to failures. There are multiple variables.

I don't even consider failure to lock back to be a malfunction. There are numerous reasons it may have occurred, none of which are important, nor is the failure to lock back a big deal, either.

There are several types of malfunctions that can occur, and there are numerous reasons that they can occur, from grit in the magazine to bent feed lips to a deformed case to a poorly lubricated pistol. In such cases, the malfunctions will generally be manifest again and again. One event in many isn't a big deal; it's the reason that we practice malfunction drills. I don't think twice about a malfunction if it's a one-off and doesn't repeat.

I watched a blazing-fast grand master shooter at an event not long ago experience a malfunction. He zipped through a stage with a speed and precision that I couldn't hope to remotely match in my lifetime and would likely have set the winning time for that stage, except for his malfunction. His very expensive, highly tuned race gun had a fatal malfunction that tied him up. It happens.

That failure to extract with the P365 could be from the aluminum case ammo. If it doesn't do it with brass, I would just simply not use that ammo in that gun.

I don't like having stoppages in my guns on the range. This seems (and is) obvious, of course nobody does, so let me explain. On some level, no matter how your conscious mind tries to explain it away, every stoppage you have diminishes your confidence in the gun, even if it was an ammo incompatibility, a single faulty magazine or some other cause and not the actual fault of the gun.

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Originally posted by egregore:
That failure to extract with the P365 could be from the aluminum case ammo. If it doesn't do it with brass, I would just simply not use that ammo in that gun.

I don't like having stoppages in my guns on the range. This seems (and is) obvious, of course nobody does, so let me explain. On some level, no matter how your conscious mind tries to explain it away, every stoppage you have diminishes your confidence in the gun, even if it was an ammo incompatibility, a single faulty magazine or some other cause and not the actual fault of the gun.

That's a possibility. All of my guns shoot aluminum cased ammo no problem (I haven't bought it in ages) except my CZ 75B SA which will stove pipe every other round with aluminum cased ammo.

Yes, mechanical things can suck, but you’re 3 for 3.

Agree with throwing in the towel for the day.

I didn't realize my Frankenglock 19 had a .40 ejector in it. Over 6000 rounds, I had an uncomfortable number of malfunctions. But, considering it didn't even have the right parts, it STILL had more reliability/hundred rounds than the OPs three.

Guns fail. They're mechanical devices designed by humans, after all.
Having said that, I see an opportunity to improve your response to the failures. Instead of trying to analyze all the whys and wherefores...see how quickly you can clear the malfunction and return to battery.
Instead of a problem, now it's an opportunity to improve your skills.
Ditch the aluminum-cased ammo, as well.

Humans fail too.
I have recently made a point of bringing 2 guns of same caliber on every range trip. Last two outings I needed to use my carry gun to complete the range trip.
First was when I had a squib load which left a round stuck in the barrel, and second time I packed my range bag with everything I was going to use except the gun I was planning to shoot! Good thing my carry was same caliber as range gun.

brought my Daughter out one day last year with her TacSol .22 rifle, an AK74 and a Smith and Wesson 442 revolver. Her rifle ftf every other round. Switched to AK74 in 5.56 ftf every other round. OK switch to revolver two rounds then a light primer strike. Went and had some Ice Cream