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Wait. Way too much doubt in my mind that I would ever trust it.


If you will never trust it, what's the point of waiting? Permanently scratch it off the list and move on.

Seriously, the reaction to the problems seems out of proportion to the "risk". It's a relatively inexpensive pistol (not a WC or Ed Brown investment). If it doesn't work, sell it or trade it. You won't lose much.

On the point of "trusting your life to it", let's be realistic. Trusting your life is jumping out of an airplane with a single parachute. This is not. While you buy a bad P365, the chances that you will have an outcome changing failure during an actual gunfight as opposed to on the range are infinitesimally small.


Small. But seemingly larger than the chances I have of failure with many other guns. Why take extra risk if it’s not needed? If I’m only taking one chute with me on a jump I’m getting the most proven guy at the parachute factory to pack it for me. There is still risk but less than if I get the rookie Wink




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Posts: 12678 | Location: Georgia | Registered: May 07, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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You can be one of the first to own a new model (be it car or gun or whatever). With being an early adopter, you get to enjoy the product before anyone else. If it matters to you, you also get the "cool guy" status of people envying you for having the newest thing out there. The cost to this is the increased likelihood of problems, and likely increased initial cost.

Or you can wait, which usually means a slight decrease in cost and increase in quality (not always). But then you don't get to enjoy the product.

Me, I tend to wait. My car is a 2007 Murano with over 100K miles. I could buy a new one, but they switched manufacturing from Japan to the US a couple years ago and there's likely going to be some bugs to figure out. I carried a '94 P229 for forever until just late last year when I replaced it with a P320 (after the upgrade). I've shot the P365 and even with my big hands, I like it. But I'm going to keep waiting. It might take another year, maybe two, until it seems the bugs are worked out.

You have to make the decision for yourself. What drives me nuts is the early adopters that expect no problems. You can say "I shouldn't have to wait" but that's just being blind to reality. Testing prototypes for two years is one thing. Off-the-line production using mass sourced parts is something else.


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I’m waiting. Platform may be nice and compact - but obvious the issues are still being worked out. I can be patient.





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Posts: 1338 | Location: South Florida | Registered: December 24, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Wait. Why rush to buy something that's completely new, unproven, and has had problems?


This. I am going to wait a while before I buy one.
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Posts: 2240 | Location: Lehigh Valley, PA | Registered: March 27, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Personally I wait for most firearms, especially carry firearms.

I mean is your current carry weapon that fucked up that you have to jump on the never ending train of ITS A GAME CHANGER MAN pistols that are released in a never ending stream...?

I know, I KNOW - the P365 REALLY is a GAME CHANGER. Mooooore BOOLETS man. Like 4 MORE boolets.

If you need those so desperately, have a turn at the wheel...

 
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My P 365 has a June 9, 2018 date, and has been flawless, it seems the guns made from middle May and on have been fine, before that I can't speak for,I own a lot of Sigs, and all of them have been quality firearms, I'm carrying my 365 and it's now in my EDC rotation, the funning thing about this gun, I have large hands, and when I saw this gun, I said to myself, no way, this gun is too small, well I was wrong, it felt great in my hand, and now with the 12 round magazine it gives me an even better Real-estate for a great grip, and the gun stays put during firing which makes follow up shots a pleasure and easy to do with good results, I'm waiting for another to come in at my LGS, a gun like this I don't mind having two of...


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Posts: 233 | Location: Grant Pass, Oregon | Registered: April 26, 2016Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I had one and couldnt trust it though it ran fine.

What I dont like is the well documented reports of failures that strike without much warning. Also its the nature of the failures that get me, its not small stuff. Striker breaking and unable to strike, trigger dead after even high amounts of rounds. We arent talking finish wear or get past 50 rounds here.

I dont buy carry guns and run them if they dont work and in the end I couldnt trust it so I sold it to a guy who was ok with rolling the dice. I can accept a project gun or fun gun having things like this but not something that must work.

If they iron out the bugs and there are no issues a year or two down the road I'd love to pick one up. IF.
 
Posts: 1653 | Location: Western Wa | Registered: March 21, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I picked one up about 6 weeks ago (born on 6/20/18) with a little trepidation. I’ve now got about 700 rounds of 6 different brands of ammo, both 115 & 124 gr, with absolutely flawless performance. I’m amazed at how easy it is to aim and shoot accurately, especially for a sub-compact pistol. I’m sold and will probably pick up another now that they’re catching up on backorders and the prices are dropping.



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I picked one up about 6 weeks ago (born on 6/20/18) with a little trepidation. I’ve now got about 700 rounds of 6 different brands of ammo, both 115 & 124 gr, with absolutely flawless performance. I’m amazed at how easy it is to aim and shoot accurately, especially for a sub-compact pistol. I’m sold and will probably pick up another now that they’re catching up on backorders and the prices are dropping.


There have been at least three used P365 pistols with lots of extras on (Phoenix) armslist.com and (Phoenix) gunlistings.com recently.


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I picked one up about 6 weeks ago (born on 6/20/18) with a little trepidation. I’ve now got about 700 rounds of 6 different brands of ammo, both 115 & 124 gr, with absolutely flawless performance. I’m amazed at how easy it is to aim and shoot accurately, especially for a sub-compact pistol. I’m sold and will probably pick up another now that they’re catching up on backorders and the prices are dropping.


There have been at least three used P365 pistols with lots of extras on (Phoenix) armslist.com and (Phoenix) gunlistings.com recently.


Who could blame them. If you read some of these threads, there’s people who have heard they carry smallpox and cholera.

Dump the damn thing before it kills your entire neighborhood.


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Posts: 31797 | Location: Logical | Registered: September 12, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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For me, the primer drag is a serious problem. “x number through mine without any issues!” Is BS imo.

People say that yet they have massive primer drag. That puts stress on the striker and will cause it to fail.

It’s inevitable imo. If they fix that issue, then I would say it’s safe to buy one. Sig telling us small guns have primer drag is a flat lie. It means, “this is wrong, but it would be too costly to fix it, so we’re going to serve you a shit sandwich and hope you eat it.”

If they fix that and no one announces something similar at shot in January, then I’d buy one.

At this point, I’m happy I sold mine still.


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You need another hobby other than blaming SIG...


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Posts: 8111 | Location: Somewhere north of a hot humid hell in the summer. | Registered: January 09, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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There have been at least three used P365 pistols with lots of extras on (Phoenix) armslist.com and (Phoenix) gunlistings.com recently.


Armslist.com showed overpriced pistols; 650 for the P365 in Phoenix, and magazines at over sixty bucks each, in Arizona.

There seems to be no problem moving these firearms or people charging more. I don't see a sign of a mass dumping of P365's with prices dropping and public panic.

I wish there were. I picked up a number of P320's when people put them up for sale, and every one of them has been a great shooter. I wish the public panic over the drop issue had carried on a bit longer, as I could have used some more magazines and even a few more pistols.

Broken primers can be dealt with. While Sig's initial offering came up short, modified designs, tool steel or better metalurgy, etc, and better design, can work around that issue. It's no escuse to release the pistol in a state that couldn't handle the use, but the point is that it's no reason to have a fire sale, either. It can be fixed.

The dead trigger issue, likewise, can be positively addressed so that it doesn't happen again. Sig hasn't tackled this as they should, as it continues to happen...but these are mechanical issues which are neither mysterious nor magical. They're fixable.

There there does happen to be a panic dump of P365's on the market, I'll certainly snap more up. I don't see it happening.
 
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I will wait until the fixes are implemented before buying one.
In the meantime, my CCW will continue to be my trusted P229 with laser grips and night sights.


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Just get one. Until I see the actual data of 365 failures, not internet hype, I will assume the majority of 365’s are good to go. Mine falls into the good to go sample.


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There have been at least three used P365 pistols with lots of extras on (Phoenix) armslist.com and (Phoenix) gunlistings.com recently.
I wouldn't be interested in buying a used one at this time, I'd want the latest build. I just checked today and found 2 stores locally that have them in stock for $499.



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I was at my gun shop today picking mine up. He had a used one with 2 mags and box for $450, looked like new. I opted to go for the brand new one (born July 29th) for $499.

I will let you know when I shoot it how it does, but felt good in the hand anyhow... Smile


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I hear the horror stories and yet I own two of them. Great pistol and I haven’t had any problems with with mine. They are still less than 500 rounds each though and I am not yet carrying.

I had to laugh, someone mentioned they were confident after a few hundreds rounds to carry their P365 and someone was quick to point out that another “failed” after 1500 rounds so clearly it is a flawed design, unsafe, not worth trusting your life tho, etc.

I also currently have two P226’s and have had 3-4 others that I let go over the years. I recall at least 3 of them “failed” at some point for one reason or another. I guess the P22X platform is crap and unreliable as well. You know, “just a matter of time” before it lets you down in a critical situation.


I think I will just never leave the house again lest it increase the chances of something bad happening.





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I think I will just never leave the house again lest it increase the chances of something bad happening.


I think that is a bit extreme.

You know what isn’t? Wrapping yourself in bubble wrap before you leave.

Can’t be too careful these days.


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