quote:

Originally posted by police340:
Thanks Fredward, I did carry the 45 in Vietnam and fired a few times since in the Army but it was a long time ago.

quote:

Originally posted by 12131:

quote:

Originally posted by police340:
Thanks Fredward, I did carry the 45 in Vietnam and fired a few times since in the Army but it was a long time ago.

Thanks for having been there.

quote:

Originally posted by Nipper:
No and no.

1) DA/SA guns, M11A1 included are designed to be carried hammer down. DA first shot...transition to SA for subsequent...decock...re-holster. Light, crisp SA trigger is not he same as a striker fired one, which is heavier and has longer travel to discharge. Striker safety is provided not just by weight, but by length of travel as well.

2) Again, designed to use the DA for the first shot. Cocking takes time, which can get you killed in a close range encounter. Thumb can also slip off under stress. If I was at a longer distance and behind cover, I might consider it. Personally, I don't train for two modes...first shot is always DA. Some don't want to take the time to learn proper DA/SA technique. If that's the case, use another platform.

Welcome to Sig World.

quote:

Originally posted by hrcjon:
Proper technique is shooting DA from the holster. Some try and cure the DA disadvantages by cocking the gun but its silly.

quote:

Originally posted by police340:

quote:

Originally posted by Nipper:
No and no.

1) DA/SA guns, M11A1 included are designed to be carried hammer down. DA first shot...transition to SA for subsequent...decock...re-holster. Light, crisp SA trigger is not he same as a striker fired one, which is heavier and has longer travel to discharge. Striker safety is provided not just by weight, but by length of travel as well.

2) Again, designed to use the DA for the first shot. Cocking takes time, which can get you killed in a close range encounter. Thumb can also slip off under stress. If I was at a longer distance and behind cover, I might consider it. Personally, I don't train for two modes...first shot is always DA. Some don't want to take the time to learn proper DA/SA technique. If that's the case, use another platform.

Welcome to Sig World.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by training in proper DA/SA technique? You explained everything else well and I appreciate that.

quote:

Originally posted by Nipper:

quote:

Originally posted by police340:

quote:

Originally posted by Nipper:
No and no.

1) DA/SA guns, M11A1 included are designed to be carried hammer down. DA first shot...transition to SA for subsequent...decock...re-holster. Light, crisp SA trigger is not he same as a striker fired one, which is heavier and has longer travel to discharge. Striker safety is provided not just by weight, but by length of travel as well.

2) Again, designed to use the DA for the first shot. Cocking takes time, which can get you killed in a close range encounter. Thumb can also slip off under stress. If I was at a longer distance and behind cover, I might consider it. Personally, I don't train for two modes...first shot is always DA. Some don't want to take the time to learn proper DA/SA technique. If that's the case, use another platform.

Welcome to Sig World.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by training in proper DA/SA technique? You explained everything else well and I appreciate that.

Unfortunately, it's difficult (for me anyway) to instruct via forum. While it's not difficult to teach in person. I find trying to verbalize the technique in detail to be like verbally explaining how to tie a shoelace or necktie.

Very generally, the beginning of the DA stroke takes place BEFORE the gun is fully on target and continues until the sights are fully aligned and the shot breaks. Prepping the trigger, in other words. You DON"T wait until the gun is FULLY aligned on target and then begin the DA stroke. It's similar to advanced revolver technique.

Again, unfortunately, there are not a lot of good DA/SA instructors that understand the technique, much less teach it. It's not difficult, but you have to understand the principles. In one of our Basic Pistol courses we had two shooters using DA/SA pistols. I instructed them (live fire), since I was the designated DA/SA goto guy. Both were good shots SA. I asked if they had tried DA and they said yes, but couldn't hit anything. In person, it only took about 15 minutes to explain, demo and coach before they began getting good two shot DA/SA groups.

jljones has had some posts regarding the prepping technique and teaches same in his opspecs courses:

www.opspectraining.com
Check out our customer appreciation class
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...1105858/m/7790088624

With luck, you may get a post from him with a better explanation.