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Originally posted by Tengoo:

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Originally posted by Fenris:
That looks oddly backwards to me. I lift index finger first. Doesn't every one?

I lift all four fingers, then tap down starting with the little finger and ending with the index.

Anyhoo...In Canada we're only allowed 10 round mags in pistols, so I'm okay with a single stack mag. If the concept takes off, I can see a double-stack version down the road. But will the concept take off? How many of these pistols are going to be produced, and how well will they sell? My fear is that half the run will get snapped up by enthusiasts [like people contributing to this thread] and the rest will sit on the shelves of dealer until they're sold off at a deep discount and Sig chalks up a hard lesson learned...that demand for 10mm pistols looks a mile wide, but is actually just an inch deep.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, of course.

When they go into steep discount, buy extras.

I too am limited to 10 round magazines, but that is not the only reason I am hoping for a single stack. Despite my XXL hand size, I just love the single stack P220 ergonomics. They just work for me, but I have not tried out the P227 yet, so I cannot state that the double stack does not work for me.

If it is a double stack, I hope Sig produces 10 round magazines with the initial release, as I could not bear the horror of knowing the pistol is available, but I cannot buy one because of NYistan's ignorant laws, which for the record I continue to fight daily.

So, any word on SHOT Show release???

Just modify your own normal magazines to low capacity. 3D print an insert or something.

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Originally posted by rsilvers:
Just modify your own normal magazines to low capacity. 3D print an insert or something.

Interesting idea.

I'd be awfully surprised if Sig produced a double-stack and failed to produce 10-round mags for it. They've gone to the trouble of doing that for every double-stack they've produced so far, haven't they? Well, I say trouble - a 10-rounder may be a natural flush fit for the 227.

If it naturally holds 10 rounds of 45 Auto, then I would expect 12 rounds of 10mm.

Let's stay with the P220 right now. If Sig is smart, the single stack will have 10 round with maybe a "smidge" of magazine under the grip like the CZ SP-01 does to get 19+1 of 9mm in it's magazine.

Ok I heard a rumor that they "may" have a 10mm at the Sig Range Day just before SHOT. If so, I will be fighting to be first in line to shoot it. However, this info did come from a "sales" rep, which have a tendency to tell you what you want to hear.

Sorry if this has been posted before, I have not read the entire thread.

I'd have to guess the fact that they are calling it a P220 is going to make it a single stack. Has there ever been a factory produced P220 in any caliber that has been anything other than a single stack?

Nope. They had to go to the 221 just to test the concept.

It might be a little soon, but does anyone know if there's any talks of offering .40 S&W/.357 SIG barrels for this magnificence?

I am hoping that by the time they are available to the public, I will be living back in the United States, and not in the Peoples Republic of California.

They should really do that thing to turn CA into six states.

The P220-10 is a single-stack.

-Bruce

How many rounds will it hold in the magazine? If it is 10, that is good enough.

Hey,
I'd like to have a 10mm P220 as soon as anybody. I'd hate to wipe out my retirement if the prototype came up for sale. By the same token I realize that if they rush it into production it may not be what I am looking for. Anybody who bought an early Kimber 10mm (or Windows ME / Vista) can tell you how bad it can be if they rush anything to production. So here I patiently wait... knowing R+D is doing all they can... Waiting.. Wanting. Hmmm, Does anybody know where prototypes are going after the test versions and mass production models are made?
All kidding aside, I'm sure it is kinda early to ask, but is there any way to tell if the new 10mm frame can be swapped from DA/SA to SAO and back with the proper parts? Will it use the same mechanicals, grips, etc, as a traditional P220? Will I be able to get one without the rail?
I can hardly wait!

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Originally posted by rsilvers:
How many rounds will it hold in the magazine? If it is 10, that is good enough.

My best guess is the magazine may hold eight rounds. The P220 in 9mm holds nine rounds. Perhaps if the spring is countersunk into the base pad it could also hold nine? Purely speculation on my part.

It's got to be at least 9+1 since S&W was able to work that with the 10XX variants. The 45XX all held the same amount as the P220. I'm kinda hoping for a little bit more extended mag that would hit 10+1.

Not a complaint, just a minor wish.

Doesn't really matter does it?

Gimme a 220 10mm period.

I just want what they come out with period?

Mark

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Originally posted by DanH:
Let's stay with the P220 right now. If Sig is smart, the single stack will have 10 round with maybe a "smidge" of magazine under the grip like the CZ SP-01 does to get 19+1 of 9mm in it's magazine.

I don't have certain knowledge of flush-fit mag capacity yet, but 8+1 is likely and 9+1 is probably reasonably possible.

I would ask our eagerly expectant friends here to consider the magazine timing issue, as we had to in our conversions. The 10mm round is long, and frankly doesn't exactly have an ideal transfer factor. If it were up to me, I would prioritize mag function over an extra round of capacity just as we did when creating specs for our magazines.

Remember, these pistols will be even more heavily sprung than ours, and slide closing speed will therefore be higher. It's thus absolutely crucial that the magazine holds enough spring to provide more than adequate tension to present and hold that relatively unwieldy cartridge before the breechface and get it up the breechface and tipped into the chamber in the reduced window of time available for this function.

If that means 8+1 proves optimal for reliability, I'm OK with it. If my very clever friends can cram 9 rounds in that giant PEZ dispenser of utter destruction without inducing feed-timing issues, so much the better, but I doubt it matters much to most prospective buyers.

-Bruce