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Kahr's new S9 and ST9 with rails.

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Posts: 10045 | Registered: October 15, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Well that’s just dumb. So sad to see a company like Kahr that was once so innovative stuck in the endless loop of crap. They haven’t made anything “NEW” since the P380. Gimmicky finishes and now useless rails seem to be their new MO.


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Well - I'm going to have to go against the grain here. The rails might be a little on the gimmicky side - but their 9mm pistols are solid. I have a CM9 and have had zero problems with it. I prolly wouldn't use the rail - but I think the reinforced/thicker dust cover area is good. That area looks weak and un-supported (for the slide rails) on mine - but I've had no problems with it and I haven't seen any issues mentioned on the Google. Kahr's action and lockwork are pretty well proven - I've got a second one on my want list for next year. That said, truth in advertising, I have sold my Kahr CW380 because it was too difficult to rack the slide - the slide was just too small. Not a problem with my CM9...
 
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Well - I'm going to have to go against the grain here. The rails might be a little on the gimmicky side - but their 9mm pistols are solid. I have a CM9 and have had zero problems with it. I prolly wouldn't use the rail - but I think the reinforced/thicker dust cover area is good. That area looks weak and un-supported (for the slide rails) on mine - but I've had no problems with it and I haven't seen any issues mentioned on the Google. Kahr's action and lockwork are pretty well proven - I've got a second one on my want list for next year. That said, truth in advertising, I have sold my Kahr CW380 because it was too difficult to rack the slide - the slide was just too small. Not a problem with my CM9...


No one is saying they don’t make good guns. What we are saying is that they haven’t made anything new or innovating in years. In my opinion the K9 and MK9 are the best Guns Kahr ever made but they gave basically gone unchanged for decades.


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Posts: 13190 | Location: Charlotte, NC | Registered: May 07, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Well - I'm going to have to go against the grain here. The rails might be a little on the gimmicky side - but their 9mm pistols are solid. I have a CM9 and have had zero problems with it. I prolly wouldn't use the rail - but I think the reinforced/thicker dust cover area is good. That area looks weak and un-supported (for the slide rails) on mine - but I've had no problems with it and I haven't seen any issues mentioned on the Google. Kahr's action and lockwork are pretty well proven - I've got a second one on my want list for next year. That said, truth in advertising, I have sold my Kahr CW380 because it was too difficult to rack the slide - the slide was just too small. Not a problem with my CM9...


No one is saying they don’t make good guns. What we are saying is that they haven’t made anything new or innovating in years. In my opinion the K9 and MK9 are the best Guns Kahr ever made but they gave basically gone unchanged for decades.


KAHR makes a good product. Some like them, some don't. I'm in the former group as I've had nine of them in all stainless and polymer/stainless. Only my first two PM9 pistols were troublesome and that was all operator error because I didn't read the owners manual.

I would imagine that they do get inquiries for rails. I don't think it's necessary but if it was my only pistol I'd rather have it than not.

Now if SEECAMP put a rail on their products, that would be a travesty. Razz


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Do consider that some gun purchasers don't buy multiple guns. Some would. Want a lightweight carry gun with the ability to add a WML for home defense.

Its the reason I prefer the Walther PPS M1 over the M2, I think were I buying a new Kahr, this would be what I would be interested in.

From a previous Kahr owner.


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Posts: 6673 | Location: Near the Metropolis of Tightsqueeze, Va | Registered: February 18, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I'll stick with my Shield. It's not the type of weapon that needs a light rail.
 
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Originally posted by Dusty78:
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Originally posted by GeoJelly:
Well - I'm going to have to go against the grain here. The rails might be a little on the gimmicky side - but their 9mm pistols are solid. I have a CM9 and have had zero problems with it. I prolly wouldn't use the rail - but I think the reinforced/thicker dust cover area is good. That area looks weak and un-supported (for the slide rails) on mine - but I've had no problems with it and I haven't seen any issues mentioned on the Google. Kahr's action and lockwork are pretty well proven - I've got a second one on my want list for next year. That said, truth in advertising, I have sold my Kahr CW380 because it was too difficult to rack the slide - the slide was just too small. Not a problem with my CM9...


No one is saying they don’t make good guns. What we are saying is that they haven’t made anything new or innovating in years. In my opinion the K9 and MK9 are the best Guns Kahr ever made but they gave basically gone unchanged for decades.


One could say much the same about Glock in many respects....and I'm a Glock fan.


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A rail on a concealed carry gun is worse than useless in my opinion.

I've been wanting Kahr to come out with an alloy framed gun for years. The polymer is ok, the steel is great but heavy, alloy would be perfect.
 
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A rail on a concealed carry gun is worse than useless in my opinion.

I've been wanting Kahr to come out with an alloy framed gun for years. The polymer is ok, the steel is great but heavy, alloy would be perfect.


Eh, having had a Kahr polymer pistol before, I'd say their implementation of polymer isn't that good. Normal rail in the back, inverted rail (Sig P210/classic CZ) up front. They ended up with the same issue CZ had with their earlier polymer pistols, with bulging frames up front where the front rails were.

I'd rather they do a proper steel chassis/polymer grip frame first (as SIG, et al have shown). Maybe even resolve their issues with 9mm top round nosediving (from the factory), before going after any other venture. Sure, that may require new magazines, but their existing 9mm magazine design wasn't all that great to begin with.


However, Kahr knows where their own market is moving towards. People want lights, optics, and all sorts of stuff on their "carry guns." It doesn't matter what the current "pistol meta" is, people will want what they want, and companies will either adapt or die. Well all know many, many gun companies have been unable to adapt, and have effectively died. Kahr is adapting.
 
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Justin Moon had a winner with the MK9/MK40 platform. It was pure genius, and I've thoroughly enjoyed mine.

If you are going to innovate, come up with something equally as genius.

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Like Kahrs, believe forward slide serrations are unnecessary and rails are a step back, and wish they would develop a flush slide release lever.
 
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Like Kahrs, believe forward slide serrations are unnecessary and rails are a step back, and wish they would develop a flush slide release lever.


I agree about the slide serrations, but not the rail. However, I much agree about the protruding slide release lever.


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Posts: 6673 | Location: Near the Metropolis of Tightsqueeze, Va | Registered: February 18, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I love my MK9.

I sold a S&W Shield, Springfield EMP, & a Sig P238. That says it all for me.
 
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I will never look at a Kahr ever again. I return my MK 40, 3 times to the factory. Two times for broken frames. Bad customer service. My Kahr, and part's are long gone.
 
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The rail is minimal, I don't see a problem with it. A light/laser on a carry gun never hurts.
 
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The rail is minimal, I don't see a problem with it. A light/laser on a carry gun never hurts.


It hurts me eyes does that count? Big Grin


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I did kind of like the K9 when it first came out. Now it's just too heavy for what it is.
 
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