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Italy does not allow 9x19 for personal use. So any P228, P226, P220... 9mm sold there is 9x21. I own a P220 in 9x21, and am trying to order a p228 in 9x21 from Sig... but that is another story!

So, a whole country with 9x21 P228s.
 
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And a few that have escaped!

http://www.iltiro.com/mercatin...i&c1=1&c2=1&ida=3641


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Italy does not allow 9x19 for personal use. So any P228, P226, P220... 9mm sold there is 9x21. I own a P220 in 9x21, and am trying to order a p228 in 9x21 from Sig... but that is another story!

So have you gotten one yet? Please post photos when you do.

Do you still have connections in the German SIG manufacturing facility? Is it still possible for them to make a P228 SL based on the old P226 SL frame - not the new one that has a beavertail and accessory rail? They may not have the desire to do it, but I wondered if the capability still existed so I can still "realistically" dream about it. Wink
 
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Nice to see you put a link to this factoid thread in your signature. Hope it sticks around.
 
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Really appreciate your research and taking the time share your knowledge. You should publish a book.
 
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New to the forum, Just purchased a 1997 Sig P228 US M11 Gold slide with black frame. slide is all engraved. It is an American Eagle Limited Edition. Looks beautiful. Can not find any history from Sig customer service other serial authentication.
 
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New to the forum, Just purchased a 1997 Sig P228 US M11 Gold slide with black frame. slide is all engraved. It is an American Eagle Limited Edition. Looks beautiful. Can not find any history from Sig customer service other serial authentication.

It's possible that it was an aftermarket thing, similar to those American Historical Foundation guns? Do you have a pic or two to add on here? Thanks. And, welcome to SF.
 
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I'm incorporating the Ni P228 endurance testing info into this thread, because that testing thread will eventually get lost to auto-prune.


A 5 weeks 10,000 rounds report on a Klein Ni P228

I had great fun putting this gun through the wringer.

Gun: A factory Nickel P228, serial # B152251, mint condition unfired by previous owner. Still looks outstanding, but it's now no longer mint.

Test: 10,000 rounds in 5 weeks (12/28/18 - 1/30/19)

Lubrication: Slip2000 EWL30 and EWL first 3750 rds; EWL30 exclusively after that.

Mags used: Mostly Mec-Gars, a few Germans, and a single Checkmate.

Ammo used:

Blazer Brass 115 FMJ = 2000 rds
Blazer Brass 124 FMJ = 300 rds
Fiocchi 115 FMJ = 500 rds
Fiocchi 124 XTPHP = 50 rds
Geco 115 FMJ = 2700 rds
Geco 124 FMJ = 1000 rds
Sellier & Bellot 115 FMJ = 2000 rds
Speer Lawman 115 TMJ = 950 rds
Speer Gold Dot 124 GDHP = 150 rds
Federal Hi-Shok 115 JHP = 150 rds
Federal HST 147 JHP = 150 rds
Remington Golden Saber 124 +P BJHP = 50 rds

Range sessions:

#01- 12/28/18 - 200 rds
#02- 01/02/19 - 400 rds
#03- 01/04/19 - 400 rds
#04- 01/05/19 - 500 rds
#05- 01/08/19 - 500 rds
#06- 01/10/19 - 500 rds
#07- 01/11/19 - 500 rds
#08- 01/15/19 - 750 rds
#09- 01/16/19 - 250 rds
#10- 01/17/19 - 500 rds
#11- 01/18/19 - 500 rds
#12- 01/19/19 - 400 rds
#13- 01/20/19 - 600 rds
#14- 01/22/19 - 600 rds
#15- 01/23/19 - 600 rds (50 are HP)
#16- 01/24/19 - 600 rds
#17- 01/25/19 - 600 rds
#18- 01/26/19 - 600 rds
#19- 01/29/19 - 500 rds (all HP)
#20- 01/30/19 - 500 rds

Distances: 10 & 15 yds.

Cleaning: From round #6001 to round #10,000, the gun was left uncleaned (not even a wipe down). Only added was some more EWL30 at the beginning of each range trip. And, it finally got its overdue clean up after the last range trip.

Malfunctions: One. Round #9390 (a Federal HST 147 HP) got hung up on the feed ramp. A quick rack of the slide, and it went right in chamber.

Conclusions/Observations:
- Nothing was replaced during the entire testing. Except for the grips, everything is original from start to finish.
- Can't speak for any other guns, but this particular gun is impressive.
- First session - the gun had the aluminum grips on, and they immediately became loose.
- So, grips were changed to G10 for the rest of the sessions, with blue Loctite to secure the grips. They were pretty good, but as the sessions went on, the screws still worked themselves loose.
- Guns gets extremely hot during mag dump sessions, as you can imagine. I got blisters a couple of times.
- The blued barrel resists wear better than I had expected. The lube must have helped quite a bit.
- There is some flaking on the left side of the chin of the slide and on its undersurface.
- Because it’s slicker, the nickel gun is easier to clean. Also, with a white gun, it’s just easier to spot a dirty spot, even when it’s hidden in cracks/corners/crevices.

Plan: This first phase is over. The next phase will be less volume and longer term, with reports back from time to time. The main reason I started this whole process is really to see how the stripped factory anodized frame that has been Nickel plated will hold up over time.



Enjoy the pics. Cool

Barrel smileys from zero to 10,000








From 6001 to 10,000, the gun was not cleaned, so the barrel was dirty. So, pics are not included here.



Gun at the start of testing








and at 10,000-round finish










































Some other fun pics in between























When I was contemplating doing the evaluation, I knew it was going to be a long term deal. I originally had planned to do a side-by-side testing between the Ni P228 and the black one, also mint condition. I actually started the first sessions with both, shooting 200 rds through each. But then, thinking it over, it was going to be just too much. Also, there are tons of black guns out there already that are well used. But, how often do you see a detailed documentation on a Ni SIG? I haven't seen one. So, the black gun was retired (I actually subsequently sold it). I know, it would have been ideal to keep going with both. But, what can I say. Someone else is going to have to pick up the slack. Razz Big Grin

Here are the pics of the first session with both guns.




Ni gun after 200 rds






Black gun at zero








Black gun after 200 rds


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PHASE 2: ******** 20,000 rounds update

Well, I guess I didn’t stick to my original plan of “less volume and longer term” after the first 10k rounds, because I got pretty excited and motivated to push the gun harder. So, 10,000 rounds more went through it in even less time (less than 4 weeks) than the first 10k. Eek

Ammo used:
Geco 115 FMJ = 1100 rds
Geco 124 FMJ = 1000 rds
Magtech 115 FMJ = 1000 rds
Magtech 124 FMJ = 2000 rds
S&B 124 FMJ = 900 rds
Fed AE 124 FMJ = 850 rds
Blazer Brass 124 FMJ = 650 rds
PPU 124 FMJ = 650 rds
Speer Lawman 124 TMJ = 1350 rds
Speer 124 GDHP = 29 rds
Freedom 115 RN = 471 rds


Range sessions: 2/5/19 - 2/27/19
#01- 02/05/19: 500 rds
#02- 02/06/19: 500 rds
#03- 02/08/19: 500 rds
#04- 02/10/19: 500 rds
#05- 02/12/19: 500 rds
#06- 02/14/19: 500 rds
#07- 02/15/19: 500 rds
#08- 02/16/19: 500 rds
#09- 02/19/19: 1000 rds
#10- 02/20/19: 1000 rds
#11- 02/21/19: 1000 rds
#12- 02/22/19: 971 rds
#13- 02/26/19: 1029 rds
#14- 02/27/19: 1000 rds

Conclusions/observations/comments:

- From 10,000 to 20,000, gun was cleaned every 2000 rounds.

- For the 1000-rd sessions, at midway point, gun was given additional lube, with EWL dripped along the rails.

- After 10,000 rds, the original recoil spring was getting pretty soft. But, I kept going with it to see how long it would last. Then, between 11,500 and 12,000, it finally exceeded its useful life, resulting several (12) failures to completely return to battery. A light tap to the rear of the slide each time got it going again. After 12,000 rounds, the recoil spring was replaced with new factory spring (see pic). Note that these failures are totally user fault for pushing the recoil spring way beyond its recommended life, and has nothing to do with the gun itself.

- All other springs remain original.

- Breech block roll pins unchanged. Breech block still immobile.

- Between round 17,500 and 17,971, when the crappy Freedom ammo was used, there were 2 “catastrophic” failures that rendered the gun inoperable – case separations! (see pics) These were old ammo when Freedom was still using the stepped cases for their brass, which had been known to result in case separations (but unknown to me, until this personal experience). Again, this is not the gun’s fault. Note to self, stay away from crappy Freedom ammo.

- There is more wear now on the barrel and the frame rails, and that’s inevitable. The gun now rattles like the spray paint can. But, it still functions beautifully. 20,000 rounds in less than 9 weeks. TO HELL AND BACK RELIABILITY is an understatement.

-The break-in period is over. Now, I can confidently CC this thing. Big Grin




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Barrel wear from 10k to 20k











Range days





























Gun at 20k, all cleaned up

































Celebrating 20k Big Grin

 
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A most excellent idea to post your testing results.

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Is it possible to put a P229 RX Slide (Romeo electro-optic version) on my P228 without any type of modification?


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Is it possible to put a P229 RX Slide (Romeo electro-optic version) on my P228 without any type of modification?


The slides are interchangeable so long as the correct locking insert is used.

I swapped a 228 slide assy onto a 229-1 frame with nothing more than the 228 insert.
 
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Anyone ever see a 228 or m11 not an A1

It was in a factory photo Brochure or magazine
1990-94 maybe shot show1994 in Dallas

OD green frame and stainless slide?
I’m looking for article or brochure

Not to buy just to see

Come one Sig Experts
 
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Is it possible to put a P229 RX Slide (Romeo electro-optic version) on my P228 without any type of modification?


The slides are interchangeable so long as the correct locking insert is used.

I swapped a 228 slide assy onto a 229-1 frame with nothing more than the 228 insert.

He is right.

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Anyone ever see a 228 or m11 not an A1

It was in a factory photo Brochure or magazine
1990-94 maybe shot show1994 in Dallas

OD green frame and stainless slide?
I’m looking for article or brochure

Not to buy just to see

Come one Sig Experts

The only stainless slide in the early 90s is the P229 slide.
 
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Never saw this post. Great info
 
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Anyone ever see a OD green p228 in late 80’s or early 90’s with nickel slide. I swear I saw it in a magazine. Probably never sold to public
 
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That’s a sweet P228 and one of my grail guns to match my P229. I have those same black/grey grips on the nickel P229 and I sent a pic to the guy I bought it from and he said, “I don’t have a dog in this fight, but damn that is pretty”, so same to you!


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