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That rollmark has been altered. Originally, it said P225.
 
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That's an amazing find. I'm not sure I've ever seen or heard of a gun that there was only one in existence.


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Was the slide originally stamped as P225 and later changed to P226C?

Based on that weird looking "6", one would say it was a "5" originally, since it belonged on a P225 originally. Wouldn't you say so?


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Was the slide originally stamped as P225 and later changed to P226C?

Based on that weird looking "6", one would say it was a "5" originally, since it belonged on a P225 originally. Wouldn't you say so?

I would agree.

Wow. The world's unique P228 finds its way to ownership by the world's greatest P228 collector. A perfect story. Congrats!


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Was the slide originally stamped as P225 and later changed to P226C?


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Originally posted by 12131:The first few pics are just overall appearance of the gun. It's pretty clear that the slide assembly originally belonged to a JE (1984) P225, with the P225-type serial number. The "5" was converted to a "6", and the "C" was added. The frame obviously is not full size P226, but it clearly wears the P226-type serial number.


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Was the slide originally stamped as P225 and later changed to P226C?

Based on that weird looking "6", one would say it was a "5" originally, since it belonged on a P225 originally. Wouldn't you say so?


Do you plan to shoot it?
 
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Was the slide originally stamped as P225 and later changed to P226C?


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Originally posted by 12131:The first few pics are just overall appearance of the gun. It's pretty clear that the slide assembly originally belonged to a JE (1984) P225, with the P225-type serial number. The "5" was converted to a "6", and the "C" was added. The frame obviously is not full size P226, but it clearly wears the P226-type serial number.


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Yes John, you do have a keen eye for detail.


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Do you plan to shoot it?

Absolutely. Already knowing how great it feels in hand, I want to see what it feels like to shoot this unicorn. Big Grin


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And, it would appear that they had MGW did the frame modifications. So, who is MGW? Is it Maryland Gun Works? Or, is it Midwest Gun Works?
A couple of phone calls might reveal a lot, assuming there's anyone around at either place who can tell us about activity at their company in the 1980s.

I was planning on doing just that. Cool


Not sure that Midwest has been around that long.
 
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Read this information regarding Maryland Gun Works. It appears that their description of their services matches up with what Lee Salter would have needed to create the prototype.

Sig had some of the equipment that would have been needed for fine parts fitting, but cutting down the frame would have required a third party.

https://www.mgwshifters.com/about-mgw
 
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Nice review, and fantastic that #1 of 3 made it through and is in your hands.



Have you managed to get the grin off your face yet? Big Grin




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I bet the anticipation of its arrival was huge indeed. Big Grin


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Great writeup and thank you Sir! So glad you ended up with PROTO-1 in your collection. Would love to see Sig make this model come to fruition... damn shame they didn't make a deal with Wayne and then copy the design. Maybe you can lend it to them for a little while... Wink
 
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Read this information regarding Maryland Gun Works. It appears that their description of their services matches up with what Lee Salter would have needed to create the prototype.

Sig had some of the equipment that would have been needed for fine parts fitting, but cutting down the frame would have required a third party.

https://www.mgwshifters.com/about-mgw
. Sounds.like the correct place. Be interesting to hear the story.
 
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Thanks 12131 for the awesome review.Let us know how she shoots!!



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Nice piece of history. Thank you for the review.

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That really is an amazing piece of Sig firearms history. When I look at that grip to slide ratio I am reminded of the P224.
 
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Beautiful!
 
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Read this information regarding Maryland Gun Works. It appears that their description of their services matches up with what Lee Salter would have needed to create the prototype.

I can fill in a bit of earlier history on MGW. Lou Ciamillo's Maryland Gun Works existed before 1984. That's when they moved to GA and became what they are now. Lou operated out of an old church in Hyattstown MD, at the northern edge of Montgomery County, in the 1970's. His sign on the building said Maryland Gun Works, and he later relocated to Ijamsville MD prior to moving to GA. His specialty was PPC revolvers, some of the best made, it is said. He was charter member of the American Pistolsmith's Guild. He was a retired LEO, and by the late 1970's with the demand for IPSC type guns he started building some of those. I was fortunate to have one built in 1979 at the Hyattstown church, a base model Colt Govt. with pretty much the same mods we do today, blued slide over hard chrome frame. I drove up to the shop (just a few miles up the road from Gaithersburg) twice, once to order, and once to pick it up. Back then, we just walked across the street to a vacant lot to test fire it. Try that in Montgomery County now Smile Unfortunately, I no longer have that pistol. I wish I had hung on to it.
 
It is unclear from the link if Lou is still alive. He would be quite old if he is. I believe most of the early output of MGW was based on jigs he had fabricated over the years to make his gunsmithing easier, and then once they had the CNC equipment and facility, it just took off.
 
 
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Nice review, and fantastic that #1 of 3 made it through and is in your hands.



Have you managed to get the grin off your face yet? Big Grin


I was just a witness and it's hard to not smile reading/seeing this. Knowing the history and that our resident 228 expert got THE only prototype.

It's an awesome story, with an happy ending.

Enjoy 12131!



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