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Officially, the switch to 9mm was due to recent advancements in defensive 9mm ammo....and the 9mm certainly performs much better than it ever has. Unofficially, it's a cost issue. | |||
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The 9mm "equaling or exceeding" the .357 Sig is a matter of opinion, not fact. It all depends on how you 'score' the success. The FBI way over rates penetration in determining what a 'success' is, it's just their opinion. Plenty of other folks recognize that high velocity, lightweight rounds (the old 125 gr 357 Mag and the ISP 115 gr +P+ 9mm) were extremely effective and would not be considered 'successful' according to today's FBI standards, despite the fact they were historically incredibly reliable manstoppers. The .357 Sig was built around that dynamic, not the current FBI dynamic. I personally side with the .357 Sig thinking. Yes, nines are somewhat better than they were in 1980, but the principles are still the same. Expansion and tissue damage are a result of velocity, which are qualities I desire in a defensive round. The penetration will take care of itself. ________________________________________ "Just A Wild Eyed Texan On a Manhunt For The World's Most Perfect Chili Dog...." | |||
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I do think the 9 mm is a lot better round than back a few years but when I see the big ole boys with the hoodie and weigh in at 265 to 300 I think they can soak more 9rounds up than say a good 40 cal gold dot or HST | |||
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My agency cut back to 50 rounds a week, which is 2600 rounds a year in addition to the 200 rounds we fire at qualification. It used to be 100 rounds a week, but that stopped with the recent ammo shortages. That being said, I would guess that less than 20 officers take advantage of the free ammo and range time per week... we have almost 600 sworn officers. We also have a very large indoor range that is climate controlled and very well ventilated. I kick myself when I miss a week, I can imagine the guys that never take advantage of it. It shows in qualification. As to the original post.... I am issued a P226 in .40. I know the armored are hot on the p320 and Smith and Wesson M&Ps. I don't really want to switch.... that being said, I'd rather do the p320 than the junk m&ps. | |||
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Just was up back at my range and put another 100 rounds through my full size 320 in 9mm it was flawless the ammo was Fed Alum and turk 123 gr nato gun never missed a beat . | |||
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I don't know of any LE agency whose officers get all the free ammo they want... Maybe (and it's a big maybe) for a few agencies' top tier specialized teams, like the FBI's HRT, but certainly not for everyone. My agency used to be very generous with 500 rounds of practice ammo every year. But that went away with the slump in the economy, the spike in ammo prices, and the dearth of supply thanks to the various ammo panics. A few years lately we've gotten a couple boxes, but most years we get none. Ammo is still provided if you attend certain firearms training classes, but otherwise, if you want to practice on your own time, you have to buy your own practice ammo. 52 rounds of duty ammo is provided at annual qualifications, when you shoot up the previous years' duty ammo.[/QUOTE] Many years ago I worked for the Dept. of Defense Police at Great Lakes Naval Training Station and we were able to get all the practice ammo we wanted...no limit. Of course, it was .38 Special, 200-grain FMJ...I think I could throw a baseball faster than that ammo shot! Gary "A child of five could understand this. Someone fetch me a child of five." -Groucho Marx | |||
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Other than Texas DPS- Anyone know of other LE (local, county, state or federal) issuing the P320? SGT 45 P320 Compact 9mm w/ MS (3) P320 Compact 9mm FDE P320 Compact/Carry 9mm FDE P320 Compact .45 w/MS P938 P229 --- Lots of Glocks | |||
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Oklahoma Highway Patrol went to it about a year and a half ago... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...ol-turns-to-sig-320/ ________________________________________ "Just A Wild Eyed Texan On a Manhunt For The World's Most Perfect Chili Dog...." | |||
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I believe there are several agencies that issues it now. I don't have a list handy, but I'll try and get with my Sig LE rep and see if he can get me a list. TXPO Coldborecustom.com | |||
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Based on a quick Google, here's a partial list: Texas DPS Oklahoma Highway Patrol Hawaii DPS West Valley City, UT PD Columbia, SC PD Novato, CA PD Sanford, FL PD Bedford County, TN Sheriff's Office Pasco County, FL Sheriff's Office Morris County, NJ Sheriff's Office Roscommon County, MI Sheriff’s Office High Point, NC PD Methuen, MA PD Westford, MA PD Jacksonville, AR PD Hooksett, NH PD Mishawaka, IN PD University of Cincinnati PD Glade Spring, VA PD Howell, NJ PD Chester, OH PD North Miami, FL PD Stanislaus County, CA Probation Laredo, TX PD Ames, IA PD Lehigh County, PA Sheriff’s Office Hudson, NH PD Manchester, NH PD Scott County, IA Sheriff's Office Story County, IA Sheriff's Office | |||
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NC SBI is transitioning to 320's in .45 ACP. ========================================== Just my 2¢ ____________________________ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right ♫♫♫ | |||
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There is iron in your words for all men to hear. | |||
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University of Iowa Police | |||
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Greensboro Police Department is transitioning from the Sig 229 in 40 to the 320 in 40. It is a slow transition with teething issues encountered in the 1st batch of pistols. Still beats the m&p 45s the County Sheriffs office uses. Regards 18DAI 7+1 Rounds of hope and change | |||
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What kind of issues 18DAI? SGT 45 P320 Compact 9mm w/ MS (3) P320 Compact 9mm FDE P320 Compact/Carry 9mm FDE P320 Compact .45 w/MS P938 P229 --- Lots of Glocks | |||
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FTE's is what I was told. Due to an unspecified "barrel issue". Sig took back the first batch and a few weeks later delivered another batch for the next academy class. No more issues reported. Caused some consternation as everyone in the 1st class had to then qualify again with Sig P229s. Regards 18DAI 7+1 Rounds of hope and change | |||
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TX DPS first made the decision to switch from .357 sig to 9mm. Last I heard it was a 147 grain +p+ bonded round. Performance of 9mm ammo has improved since DPS went with .357sig 20 years ago. Cost and availability were also factors. .357 SIG ammo is regionally popular in TX, and VA/NC so the big ammo companies only make a few production runs a year vs 9mm which is in constant production. The initial switch to S&W M&Ps in 9mm did not go well. The guns had significant issues and there were questions about how the M&P was selected. It was, shall we say a bit murky. As a result, TX DPS conducted an open testing process which involved road troopers and firearms instructors from the field. Several guns, including the M&P did not make the cut. The three which passed standards were the P320, the HK VP9 and the Glock 17 Gen 4. DPS chose the P320 and have been issuing them to recruit classes since 2015. Current troopers have the option to switch or stick with the P226, at least for now. There have been no significant issues with the p320's. | |||
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I have the L/E package W-320-9-c and a new full size in 9 and I have no problems with the guns and run any ammo I grab going out the door . | |||
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Looks like we can add ICE to the list of LE agencies using the P320. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/.../02/22/__trashed-21/ | |||
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Sincere congrats to the The D-2016 class, graduating yesterday in Austin. Another 134 Sig P320's took to the roads & hills of Texas. Long may they serve with both honor & distinction!
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