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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Looks like we can add ICE to the list of LE agencies using the P320.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/.../02/22/__trashed-21/

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Originally posted by TexasRaider:
The 9mm "equaling or exceeding" the .357 Sig is a matter of opinion, not fact. It all depends on how you 'score' the success. The FBI way over rates penetration in determining what a 'success' is, it's just their opinion.

Plenty of other folks recognize that high velocity, lightweight rounds (the old 125 gr 357 Mag and the ISP 115 gr +P+ 9mm) were extremely effective and would not be considered 'successful' according to today's FBI standards, despite the fact they were historically incredibly reliable manstoppers.

The .357 Sig was built around that dynamic, not the current FBI dynamic. I personally side with the .357 Sig thinking. Yes, nines are somewhat better than they were in 1980, but the principles are still the same. Expansion and tissue damage are a result of velocity, which are qualities I desire in a defensive round. The penetration will take care of itself.

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Originally posted by tundrav84wd:
If TDPS has stuck with the original Speer Gold Dot loading, not sure, but maybe the P320 wouldn't even be being talked about. I remember that round, and still have a good amount of it set aside. Just under 1500 fps.

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Originally posted by TexasRaider:

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Originally posted by tundrav84wd:
If TDPS has stuck with the original Speer Gold Dot loading, not sure, but maybe the P320 wouldn't even be being talked about. I remember that round, and still have a good amount of it set aside. Just under 1500 fps.

I have some of that old Speer ammo, in the bright blue box, probably never fire it, keep it as a collectable next to the Black Talon 10mm and Lawman .41 Action Express. I do wish the current crop of Gold Dot .357 Sig was closer to 1500fps, but what they make now is still no slouch.

I haven't tried any 357 Sig boutique brands (Buffalo Bore, Cor-Bon, etc.), but I don't really care to load those in my guns, I prefer mainstream factory loads simply to drive past unnecessary court room related nitpicking. And like I said, the factory Gold Dots are still pretty formidable....

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Originally posted by TexasRaider:

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Originally posted by tundrav84wd:
If TDPS has stuck with the original Speer Gold Dot loading, not sure, but maybe the P320 wouldn't even be being talked about. I remember that round, and still have a good amount of it set aside. Just under 1500 fps.

I have some of that old Speer ammo, in the bright blue box, probably never fire it, keep it as a collectable next to the Black Talon 10mm and Lawman .41 Action Express. I do wish the current crop of Gold Dot .357 Sig was closer to 1500fps, but what they make now is still no slouch.

I haven't tried any 357 Sig boutique brands (Buffalo Bore, Cor-Bon, etc.), but I don't really care to load those in my guns, I prefer mainstream factory loads simply to drive past unnecessary court room related nitpicking. And like I said, the factory Gold Dots are still pretty formidable....