Well, I don't know about derivation, but the grip does seem to work better for those of us who prefer the feel of the 226 grip to that of the standard 220.
OP, I'd try to tell you more about the feel of shooting the 227, but I immediately slapped a longer, heavier (Match) upper half on the thing so I can't really say anything about shooting a standard 227. FWIW, I do find it more comfortable to shoot than a standard 220 Match.
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Like a 10mm Classic line SIG pistol, a P220 that would hold 10 rounds was something that the gun-buying public were supposed to turn into an instant commercial success if only the head-in-the-sand leadership at the company would wake up and realize its potential. There were constant posts here clamoring for the gun. Until the P227 was introduced. That was the end of the requests.
The gun never seemed to have attracted much interest, and I’ve often wondered why since. As pointed out, 10 rounds wasn’t that much of a capacity increase, and rightly or wrongly, the 14-round mags got the reputation of being unreliable. The gun changed the classic feel of the P220, and besides, everyone knew then that the 45 ACP was such a devastating man-stopper that extra rounds were just an unnecessary addition to the weight of the gun.
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That’s a good price in the P226. It’s also a much better gun than the P227. I have had both.
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The P227 is a well-made, high quality gun. It makes a fantastic duty gun (would be even better if Sig had figured out how to make the 14-round magazines work)...our Troopers are issued them, and all the guys I know like them. I've also been impressed with the ones I've shot. IMO it was a commercial failure for a couple of reasons (but being a bad gun was not one of them):
1. Sig had horrible timing. They finally got around to releasing the P227 right as many agencies that were still carrying DA/SA guns were making the shift to striker-fired polymer. The P227 got released in 2013, and then had to compete with the P320 which came out the next year...not to mention plenty of Glocks and M&Ps that were already established. Also being chambered in .45 when the trend was moving towards 9mm didn't help.
2. Keeping in mind the situation above which killed the agency contract market, one must also consider that the gun isn't really designed for concealed carry. It's big. It makes a better duty gun than a CCW piece. I carry a P245 on my own time, so I'm ok with lugging a pretty big, heavy gun around all day, but even I wouldn't want to try and CCW a P227. I'm not saying it can't be done, but there's a limited market for it as a CCW piece.
It's too bad...I have a thing for .45s and I like the gun. I wish Sig had released it earlier so that there were more of them out there on the market, but it is what it is. I'm hoping that I can snag one of the ISP guns when they dump them for whatever they are going to next.
It sounds like you found a good alternative in the 226. That's a good price on a nice gun...I'd grab it before it's gone.
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Sig reps came to a local range with a massive stack of pistols for sale, and free hands-on trials of any model. This was years ago, when the P224 and P227 were new. I jumped at the chance to fire both. I liked the ergonomics and familar feel. The P224 ran fine, but the P227 wouldn't go two rounds without a problem. It was dry as a bone, and why the sig reps offered that as a demo pistol, is beyond me (why they didn't know to lubricate their own firearms was a mystery, too).
I passed. I wished after, that I'd picked up one of each. I ended up going with a G21 for a .45 higher capacity handgun, though I've been an admirer and owner of the P220 for a long time.
If you can find magazines for it, the P227 would be a great choice.
Well, I have three of them. Sad SIG doesn't offer parts kits nor magazines anymore. Existing mags are easy to fix with better springs and metal mag bases. I am told you can use the P320/45 magazines in a P227 with a new base but I have not tried it.
SIG could've competed with the G21/41 had they done the magazine capacity correctly. And barrel length. There are similar complaints about the P220/10mm and no P220 45 or 10mm with optics cuts.
And we know SIG only grudgingly supports anything other than 9mm. No response to the G44 or TX22, dropped .22 conversions for classics, and no P320/10mm although promised. P320/45 is essentially dead.