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I think Bruce will still need a pistol. I'm not too sure he wants to go making his own frames and slides just yet. That's an expensive, involved process. Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow main is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves with out this law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven". Such is the rule of honor. |
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I'm of course in no position to speak for Bruce and company. There was, however, an early post that I interpreted as saying they might sell completed modified guns that the company purchased directly and were not supplied in advance by a customer.
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That would be cool. It would save the buyer from having to purchase a 220ST and go thru the hoops and ship it.
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow main is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves with out this law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven". Such is the rule of honor. |
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Hang on, guys! I'd like to not get too far ahead of ourselves. Our 10mm's are being built on customer-supplied pistols. If the demand warrants it, we will consider building pistols as manufacturers, for retail sale. Right now, that doesn't seem to be something y'all want us to do.
The term "production" carries some connotations that I'd also like to avoid. By "production" I don't mean to suggest that we have a line of parts that we're slapping together in some indifferent manner. From barrel fitting and sights to action work and magwells, I'm working up each 10mm individually, other than to batch up the machining and marking. I'll update everyone on our progress presently. I'm going to be calling each of you later this week to verify your work orders and discuss exactly what we're doing, now that we've been testing the crap out of our prototypes. -Bruce "Truth is found in the certainty of one's own ignorance. I never learned anything from hearing my own voice." -Col. W.P. Gray II "At our best we are only God's hands." -Beki |
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Hoo-rah! "When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power...like God must feel when he's holding a gun." H. Simpson. |
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I would take that P220ST in .45 in a heartbeat. I'm not a real big fan of the 10mm but that gun is stunning!
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow main is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves with out this law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven". Such is the rule of honor. |
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Awesome, Bruce. Leave a message if I'm not home, or e-mail me and I'll call GGI. NRA Benefactor Life Member |
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Am I too late to get in on this ? If not How do I get on board ?
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E-mail the good people at GGI and they may be able to hook you up. Long Live The P-220 Steve |
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Not to worry...you're too late to get in the first group of conversions, GGI has already said that they'll be doing another group following this...I suspect that Bruce & Flork are going to find themselves doing about 20-25 conversions a quarter for some time....  ============================== On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that on other days and other fields will bear the fruits of victory. Gen. Douglas MacArthur |
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For a two smith shop they've gota HUGE demand on there time.
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow main is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves with out this law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven". Such is the rule of honor. |
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Bruce & Flork, project is coming along nicely! Guess we're all just impatient!
Have had some inquiries recently about shipping brand new, untransferred guns directly to you for this project. Last I heard from you was there are "federal tax issues" that really don't permit sending "new, untransferred guns"? If this is correct, you might want to reiterate again, even if answered long ago in this lengthy thread? This would not apply to CPO's, if I remember correctly, as they have been transferred previously, as new guns? Thanks! |
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I forgot about this until just now when I was on Gunsamerica.com. We also shot this short footage for them at SHOT.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/video/player.aspx?Channel=2&vid=27 _______________________________________________________________________ Upcoming GGI classes www.graygunstraining.com Jack Bauer is the only person HK doesn't hate........... It really was just like the movie Police Academy... and I was a short asian version of Tackleberry...- Randy Lee 10/25/08 |
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Very cool video. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Long Live The P-220 Steve |
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Bruce/Flork:
A chance comment by a friend set me to thinking...always a dangers prospect.  First, with the new .22 conversion kits that Sig just introduced at Shot Show, will the GGI converted guns be able to take advantage of this? Or are there is there a changes to the magwell which would make this impossible? Second, is it feasible that 10mm project guns might be capable of converting to shoot .38 Super simply by swapping barrels similar to the .40/.357 Sig conversion we're already familiar with? Certainly there'd be no problems with pressures created by .38 Super rounds, but at a minimum, I presume it would take our friends at Bar-Sto being willing to machine 10mm barrels bored to .38 Super dimensions? Would it require custom magazines as are already having to be manufactured for the 10mm conversion? Maybe it's just me, but it would be freakin' AWESOME if I could go from .22LR to .38 Super to 10mm. ============================== On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that on other days and other fields will bear the fruits of victory. Gen. Douglas MacArthur |
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Whoo hooo!!! Sounds like we are getting close!!! Can't wait to get that call and get everything finalized!!--------------- Jeffrey Sig P220ST - Sig Mosquito - S&W 1006 - S&W 4566 - S&W 686 - Colt Delta Elite DW 1911 Commander 10mm - H&K USP .45 - H&K USPc .45 - Bushy AR-15 M4A3 Ruger Mini-14 - Rem 870 Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security. - Benjamin Franklin |
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As long as Sig has a P220 conversion to 22lr, it will work on the frame. You may need a factory mag release, but that should be it. 38 Super is probably doable, we'll need to get input from shooters as to what kind of interest there is before we go asking Irv to make us barrels, but it should work. We may need a different extractor as well, but that shouldn't be to big a thing. With a factory mag release, factory 38 super mags would work. Scott GGI HQ - Now Located in SPRAY OR - 541-468-3840 "Own enough guns that your wife will never notice a gun or 2 being added or taken away from the collection." Leonard Novak - "Thee Gambler" (SASS) ------------------------------------------------ Buy Flork's crap - http://www.cafepress.com/taceyecandy ------------------------------------------------ Wanna learn to shoot better? Wanna learn how to cut a card in half edge wise? Take a GGI Training coarse and you will learn. http://www.graygunstraining.com |
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Thanks for the link to that video!!
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Flork, might a 40 S&W conversion barrel from Barsto be an option? Could then shoot that with cheaper ammo; but mags might be an issue, needing a "single stack"?
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Why not? Very doable! Thanks! -Bruce "Truth is found in the certainty of one's own ignorance. I never learned anything from hearing my own voice." -Col. W.P. Gray II "At our best we are only God's hands." -Beki |
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