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My chief told me today he wants to try a reflex/rds on his duty gun and will approve it for the rest of us after he played with my 35MOS.

I wish he would’ve said something last year since we just got new guns in January.

Anyways, I’m trying to source someone to mill his Glock 31 (gen4) slide.

What’s everyone’s pros/cons on having the rear sight in front of the sight? I’ve only experienced the standard Glock MOS setup on my 35. Since they don’t make a 22/31 slide with MOS, I am having his slide sent out.

Thanks.



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I haven't shot mine much yet, but I had battlewerx.com cut mine for the RMR with the rear sight moved forward of the optic. They also cerekoted the slide. The fit ind finish of the gun is incredible, highly recommended!

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What’s everyone’s pros/cons on having the rear sight in front of the sight?


Pros: you get a bit less visual clutter that way - window appears less obscured, you get some protection of a glass, and I prefer this for concealment because suppressor height rear sight prints like a mofo.
Con: it becomes an optic-only gun really, since the sight radius is too short to use it for any length of time without the optic. Some of those sights don't give exact poa/poi, the Unity Atom setup as an example.
 
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Definitely check out this video and others from Sage Dynamics; he's been running/testing/researching RDS sights on handguns for years.

https://youtu.be/zrrlxEwUaRM https://youtu.be/zrrlxEwUaRM


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There are some Safariland duty holsters have problems with the sight mounted in front of the optic.

I would not mount the sights in front on a duty pistol if you ever plan on using Safariland


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Thanks every. I was looking at Battlewerx since it was the cheapest to cut and refinish.

We are a Safariland agency so we should probably standardize on one cut. No one else around us is doing it yet. An officer on a neighboring PD got his 19 authorized as his duty weapon and he’s using a Safariland holster with the Trijicon RMR (the rest of their department is Glock 22).

I’m researching policies now. We’ll probably standardize on one brand as well so it’s consistent with regards to training.

I really wish he would’ve asked last year. I would’ve waited on new guns and transitioned us to the 45 MOS.



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I prefer the standard rear sight position, especially now that the new trijicon SRO is available.
 
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I would look at Agency' AOS for milling. Will allow the use of future optics and allows the individual to pick whether they want the rear sight in front of or behind the optic.

Use the Sage Dynamics white paper as a starting point for policy stuff.
 
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If you plan on using the new SRO, front sight at the back is the only option.
 
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I’m taking a different route. I’m trying to get a personally owned policy approved to where after a certain amount of time, with a certain amount of skill, the officer can choose from a list. From this list are CORE, MOS, and RX guns.


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This is good stuff.

If anyone has a personally-owned or agency-owned policy they could share, especially if it includes optics, I'd love to see a copy of it as we're slowly heading that direction but nothing has been drafted yet.


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Although mine is an M&P, not a Glock. I prefer the rear sight behind the optic.
For all things RMR Glock related look at One Source Tactical. www.suarezinternational.com They've been using red dots on Glocks for a long time. If not THE first to do it, definitely one of the firsts.


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I wish we could do personally owned weapons. Every gun is department issued. We get $475 a year for a uniform allowance and we will allow officers to use it towards a sight. Milling they will pay for. If you retire, it all goes with you. If you quit, you keep the sight if you’ve had it over a year. You don’t get the gun if you quit. If you’re fired, you get neither. No refunds on milling.

Waiting to see if Battlewerx will do a rear dovetail cut. It says only on 45/10 slides. If not I will look for another place.



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I would recommend shooting a bunch of action matches before committing to this on a duty weapon. I've seen experienced shooters occasionally have difficulty with initial acquisition of the dot or losing the dot during the course of fire under time/competition stress.

An actual gun battle is more dynamic and the issue can only be amplified. I personally wouldn't even consider it.
 
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I heard similar horror stories with dots on rifles.

Somehow, we survived.


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I heard similar horror stories with dots on rifles.

Somehow, we survived.


I know you're a seasoned shooter but many of the LEO guys at the matches are not very good and I'm being generous. A dot may seem like the answer to their prayers but it will become their worst nightmare if they get into a fight.

Red dots on rifles and handguns are two very different things. I have a dot on my AR but I'll probably never put on one a defensive handgun.

I don't mean to derail this thread. Just food for thought with respect to the inexperienced members of your department.
 
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I know. I had issues in the beginning with hunting for the dot, hunting for my sights, etc.
I primarily point shoot and it bothered me for a while.

Right now, only the chief wants it and I'll make him familiarize himself with it. One other guy wants it but he's too cheap so he won't do it.

I only have my 35 MOS setup and I'm letting people try it out before they make up their mind.



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You might want to check with these guys. https://ateiguns.com/



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Rebumping this with more questions.

I wrote the policy allowing RMRs and only one officer is doing it. He chose not to mill and is using a rear dovetail mount. His holster is on order. So I guess we will find out if the 6360RDS holster fits.

But today the chief told me he didn’t order his because he wants to make every officer have one so I’m working on quotes now.

Does anyone know if there is a duty holster for Glock 17/22/31 with NO WML that would accommodate the RMR? Most of us have WMLs so the 6360RDS will be fine but some old timers don’t have WMLs. I’m tasking my range guys with transition training everyone.

Getting RMR type 2s. Should I order the sealing plates also?


Now I’m wishing I switched us to the 45 MOS guns.



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Duty holsters I can't help on, but check for fit several of my normal 17 holsters had no issue with RMR mounted.
You do want the sealing plate in my experience. It's not the critical issue it was in the Type 1's but it should be there.


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