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As I have mentioned in another thread, I have a flood-victim Colt Python. The revolver's action is unaffected and is silky and perfect.
But the finish/surface of one side of the barrel, cylinder and some of the crane area are heavily damaged. You can shoot it but it looks... rough.



(Most of this is way past polishing out). About two years ago I spoke with Colt about refinishing and they said “find the parts”…
So I did. I found a replacement 6” barrel (proper sight pin #, threads), a NOS cylinder, stem, and a used crane.

I was in talks with the Colt Gunsmiths regarding having them replace/fit these parts and refinishing to the original Royal Blue.
The Python has it’s serial number on three places- the frame, under side plate and crane. Since it is not the frame itself, one of Colt’s folks said that they could remove the used crane’s serial and restamp it with the matching serial number of my Python.

(Sample stock picture of crane serial number location)



Well, unfortunately Colt got out of the Python rework business and since then I’ve had a smith tell me that you can’t remove that crane serial number even though it isn’t on a formal firearm frame.

Here’s my question- I know there is a law that states that a firearm’s frame/receiver original serial number cannot be altered nor removed. Can a gunsmith remove the original crane number and restamp the piece with my Python’s serial number?

To my knowledge no unstamped Colt Python cranes exist.
 
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Can a gunsmith remove the original crane number and restamp the piece with my Python’s serial number?

I think yes. Colt, Smith, et al place that number there and elsewhere for internal tracking purposes so matched parts stay together during assembly. The cylinder/crane is not a firearm or controlled part.
 
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Hey, GaryBF,

Thank you for the quick response. I wasn't sure. That seemed logical but you know the ATF...

Much appreciated!
 
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Ask him if you need a 4473 to buy the crane or barrel. He will say no. They are parts. You would need a 4473 to buy the frame, it is the firearm.
Fords in Florida is your best bet to get a good Colt royal blue.


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Also: Under BATF rules, licensed gunsmiths can even restore serial numbers to frames etc (as long as they file the right forms). The non-frame parts have no restrictions.

-Michael Boyd
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From the looks of the gun, even if you do have it refinished it will probably not look original, so why bother having replacement parts remarked? I doubt that you are trying to deceive anyone.
 
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Just have him fit up the parts and don't worry about the numbers. Faking a match would be expensive and subject to later misrepresentation.

Frank Glenn has a good reputation on Colt revolvers.
http://glenncustom.com/

There was a mention of the young guy at one shop learning the Python but I cannot find him now. You might ask on Coltforum.
 
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I wouldn't remark any parts. Some later owner may not know that it isn't an original. It is going to be valued as a shooter only.

But the condition of this revolver is painful.

Get it back into good shooting condition, and show us a photo.




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The ATF does not give a hoot, but your State might. You have to look. I'd just install the new parts and move on. the remarking doesn't benefit anyone really.


“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
 
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The ATF does not give a hoot, but your State might. You have to look. I'd just install the new parts and move on. the remarking doesn't benefit anyone really.


Yes, a lot of states have laws that removing a serial number is a misdomenor or felony (of anything,not just guns)

http://answers.google.com/answ...dview/id/769537.html

Honestly, refinishing it is going to hit the value of it quite a bit, so what's the difference at this point if it has a different serial number on other parts, it's a shooter not a collector piece anymore.
 
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You all have given good advice. Thank you kindly.

I've been kinda agonizing over this because I knew the pistol before the house flood.

It belonged to my late uncle and while he was deployed a water main broke outside their house. The basement ended up with several feet of water. This pistol was in a range bag inside a locked stronghold cabinet and his wife didn't realize that the bottom of the bag had gotten wet. They got his good stuff out of the basement but it sat inside a zippered cloth case wet on one side... for several months until he returned.

I guess I'm going to get over it as it will never be like it was. Don't plan to get rid of it in any case and once it has the new parts/finish pass on to my sons.
 
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You all have given good advice. Thank you kindly.

I've been kinda agonizing over this because I knew the pistol before the house flood.

It belonged to my late uncle and while he was deployed a water main broke outside their house. The basement ended up with several feet of water. This pistol was in a range bag inside a locked stronghold cabinet and his wife didn't realize that the bottom of the bag had gotten wet. They got his good stuff out of the basement but it sat inside a zippered cloth case wet on one side... for several months until he returned.

I guess I'm going to get over it as it will never be like it was. Don't plan to get rid of it in any case and once it has the new parts/finish pass on to my sons.


If that's the case, who cares if the numbers don't match......refinish it, shoot it, enjoy it, and pass it on.
 
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