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There is one exception that I know of- if a retired law enforcement is LEOSA certified, they can carry hollow points but they are still restricted as far as magazine capacity is concerned.

NJ does not recognize that and as far as they are concerned, HP is not permissible under the LEOSA. While the LEOSA Improvement Act did address it, the AG has never made a determination so the NJSP Firearm's Unit will not stick their neck out and state it's allowable under that section. so far, as far as I'm aware, no one has ever been charged. nor has anyone stepped up to be the test case.

Section 3e was changed to read:

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e)As used in this section—
(1)the term firearm—
(A)except as provided in this paragraph, has the same meaning as in section 921 of this title;
(B)includes ammunition not expressly prohibited by Federal law or subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act; and

When I travel back, I switch out to Guard Dog (the former EFMJ). I'm certified to qualify under the NJ Retired Police Officer program which is the LEOSA qual for the most part. The materials state "No HP ammo". I'm not about to advise differently.

Hollow Points are not illegal in NY. NYC might be another matter, but I would be more worried about if the weapon was legal. No handguns without a License or a badge and the NYC only recognizes licenses they issue.

NYPD carries Gold Dot hollow points.

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In reading the NJ firearms statues, they are basically written to prohibit everyone, but then identify narrow exceptions for certain persons or activities.

By my read, there are no exceptions for non-residents 'just passing through'!

Correct! Point of purchase to home. Home to range and back again - that's it.

There was an opinion given by the AFTE (Assc. of Firearm & Toolmark Examiners) to the NJSP that rounds such as Federal EFMJ, Hornady Critical Defense and Corbin PowrBall should not be considered hollowpoints under the law. One could extrapolte that similar ammunition manufactured today (i.e. Guard Dog) would also be exempted.
However, that opinion was rendered prior to the infamous Brian Aitken case, in which the judge ruled that any expanding bullet ammunition was considered a "dum-dum" and falls under the prohibitions in the law for that type of ammunition - leaving everybody confused.

My advice - just don't do it.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

Wow! My advice would be to not only avoid those areas for travel, but to vacate if you live there. What a bunch of ignorant crap.

NJ is definitely "special" on this issue. My "parent" office is in NJ, so I've had occasion to discuss this issue with a variety of local LE in the area. I've heard everything from "you're good, don't worry about it," to "if you're carrying off duty, you can't have JHP" (the last from a NJ state trooper).

My advice is this - it's not worth it. Don't take any magazine over 15 rounds, and don't take any JHP into NJ, unless you're a full time LEO, traveling there on duty.

WRT NYC, HR 218 applies, except where it doesn't. Specifically, the World Trade Center Memorial is a gun free zone. Unless you're there on duty, you cannot bring a firearm. They used to permit off duty LEOs to secure their weapons on site, but from what I gather, that courtesy is no longer extended. Other places (like the Empire State Building), your credentials will get you escorted around the insanely long line and past the magnetometers - just be discrete about it, and, as always, don't be a jerk.

If you're NOT LEO or HR218 eligible, I would urge you in the strongest possible terms NOT to travel with a weapon or ammunition to or through any of the five boroughs of NYC or Nassau County.

Outside of Leosa no one can possess ( not simply carry concealed but possess in any way) a handgun in New York State without a New York permit and they do not grant permits to nonresidents. Even with a New York State permit ( which I had when I lived there) the permit was not valid in New York City. The only very limited exception is bringing pistols into New York State for a sanctioned competition in which case they need to be unloaded and locked up. New York doesn't even recognize the fopa for travel through the state between two otherwise legal states This get back to the question the only state I know for sure that doesn't allow hp ammo is jersey

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Frakin' idiotic, ignorant law. Hollowpoints are safer than fmj. Anyone who has to ask why this is so should not be making any laws regarding ammunition. Deeply ignorant, a child's point of view.

My sentiments as well.

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Originally posted by Amurr:
No states I believe. (If someone says NJ its not true, they are illegal to use "in a crime" not illegal to purchase or own or shoot
Legally)

Well their law in NJ is a bit, poorly written, because it really looks like transiting the state with JHP's "could" be deemed as illegal, that's why I'm asking.

Fair point. I guess since it's not possible to get a carry permit it's kind of a moot point!!!

It is possible. Just not for the likes of you. Or me.

Back in the say when I was a NJ resident, I recall it was OK to have them at home or even at the range, with provision for transport between one and the other (with no stops) but otherwise verboten. Not sure how that would translate to non-residents passing through. The authorities really are malicious assholes there.

My wife is from West New York NJ and I lived for awhile in NYC during my Army days. I am planning to visit this summer. As a retired LEO and LEOSA certified I plan to carry when I visit. Due to the silly laws in both states I have decided to carry my Glock 36. The six round magazine makes sure I do not run afoul of the 7 round limit allowed in New York State and the big .45 makes me feel better in no hollow point NJ. A little S&W 638 will be in the pocket with lead wadcutters to again make sure I do not cross the line on capacity or bullet type.

It is a shame that those states are so ignorant of the truth.

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New York doesn't even recognize the fopa for travel through the state between two otherwise legal states

To think we gave up new Class III auto's for FOPA. In the future, compromises like FOPA should have a penalty, perhaps a denial of civil rights or something. That way when a state decides to ignore the law, the officer doing the arresting can go to a big Federal prison.

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Originally posted by FotoTomas:The six round magazine makes sure I do not run afoul of the 7 round limit allowed in New York State

That has been overturned in court, the ten round limit now applies.

I know that EFMJ and the hornady stuff with filled cavities is what armored car guys carry in NJ, at lest guys who start in Jersey, if their work brings them to Jersey their home state laws apply.