The PPk was the balkiest ammo sensitive pistol I have ever owned.

It ran like a top with hard ball ammo of yesteryear, but needed to be kept spotless and polished internally to feed modern defense ammo.

1911, I call it the 'Excuse Gun'...b/c there is always some type of lame excuse why they malfunction (ammo, feed ramp needs polishing, extractor needs adjusting, doesn't like certain mags, etc). A good gun should NEVER malfunction out of the box, none of mine do. 1911s are far outdated in technology and even the high dollar custom ones malfunction once in a while which is embarrassing. I go to a private range at least once a week and I'll always see a 1911 having at least one issue, usually a stove-pipe...then one of the excuses mentioned above usually follows. 1911s are show-pieces and not a real firearm.

As much as I love them, the 1911 would have been my second vote.
There is no doubt that the most overrated gun is the Glock, though. Like them if you want to, but please don't try to make the argument that they are the top tier of anything. The ergos suck, the look sucks, the polymer on polymer mag/magwell combo sucks, DEA guys have NDs at public demonstrations...I mean REALLY!

Seriously, it's a crap shoot. Tastes vary, and you carry what works for you. Nothing is as awesome for everyone else as it might be for you.

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Originally posted by mossy5901980:
I'd have voted any recently-manufactured H&K. I consider the P7 as an exception.

There's no way I'm gonna spend so much on a polymer gun that fits like a glove, has a crappy or should say average trigger, just to have an H&K logo on its slide. It just doesn't make sense.

There are far better options. The SP2022 is one of them. And guess what - it's cheaper!

Welcome.

As Grandpa would say "Stick to your guns (Pun) don't let 'em push you around when you know you're right."

I have two Sigpros 2340,2022, and they have both run flawlessly and are about the most accurate pistols I own. How in the hell could a gun be better than that, oh wait I know, I don't get to brag about how much they cost to impress people.

"And he had the courage to laugh as flames rose higher"

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Originally posted by Wizz:
1911, I call it the 'Excuse Gun'...b/c there is always some type of lame excuse why they malfunction (ammo, feed ramp needs polishing, extractor needs adjusting, doesn't like certain mags, etc). A good gun should NEVER malfunction out of the box, none of mine do. 1911s are far outdated in technology and even the high dollar custom ones malfunction once in a while which is embarrassing. I go to a private range at least once a week and I'll always see a 1911 having at least one issue, usually a stove-pipe...then one of the excuses mentioned above usually follows. 1911s are show-pieces and not a real firearm.

Ha, Ha, Ha! Good one centurian, good one!

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Originally posted by Wizz:
1911, I call it the 'Excuse Gun'...b/c there is always some type of lame excuse why they malfunction (ammo, feed ramp needs polishing, extractor needs adjusting, doesn't like certain mags, etc). A good gun should NEVER malfunction out of the box, none of mine do. 1911s are far outdated in technology and even the high dollar custom ones malfunction once in a while which is embarrassing. I go to a private range at least once a week and I'll always see a 1911 having at least one issue, usually a stove-pipe...then one of the excuses mentioned above usually follows. 1911s are show-pieces and not a real firearm.

Very true. A good gun should never malfunction right out of the box and it should be able to eat anything you feed it without a hiccup.

If not, it's a POS . POSs do not belong in my safe. Any gun should be able to be used at the range or on the battlefield.

I voted 1911. Great caliber, but come on. Single action pistols are old technology. They may be good for the range but that is about it. How many of the "experts" that rave over a 1911 ever were actually in a gunfight? Clicking off that safety is a step that I don't want to have to worry about before I can get a shot off.

I voted Glock just because Glock Kool Aid Boys think a Glock will fix ANY problem. Fighting a predator with Ahnuld, should have used a glock. Girl won't date you, should have used a glock. Building a house? Should have used a glock.

But serious over ration, 1911. But the fans are at least a touch more realistic than the Glockphiles.

I voted for the 1911.

I have two Colts. Neither of them are reliable. Both of them fails to feed, fails to eject...hell, fails to work as often as not. One of them is accurate, one of them is all over the target when you can hit the target at all. They are for rich people. Buy the gun and then put a couple of thousand dollars into it to make it usable. Even then, I don't think I would trust them with my life.

And the really dumb thing about all this is that I've had both these guns for nearly 30 years. I thought all autoloaders functioned like this until I bought my first Glock.

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
Still, some pistols aren't as durable as others. I've seen at least one Glock 17 with a half million rounds through it, and many Browning P35's that died in the first 1000 rounds.
-Bruce

For those that are still in denial.

And yes, Glocks do fix everything.

How can something that cost so little but give so much.

1911's are a joke.

Who could actually love, much less trust, a pistol that has been tested time and time again through as many conflicts as it has while refusing to quietly go into that good night. As if to spite us, it then does the unthinkable by becoming even more popular as it ages instead of less. 100 years of combat and bullseye performance.

Whatever.

Don't even get me started on the Garand. Now if you want to talk about a real hunk of junk just tell me how accurate those things are at high power matches. Just total garbage.

Oh, and one more thing, my Glock fixed my timing belt tonight and then helped my son with his homework after dinner.

You are absolutely right. 1911s are a joke .

Own 3 . The first 500 rounds they all had FTFs and FTEs. Got rid of one and still have two. The last two are on their last legs. One more FTF or FTE and they are gone.

On the other hand, all my Sigs and Glocks function flawlessly out of the box up til now.

I also have 3 1911's and actually can't remember the last time when one of them had a hiccup. I know for certain that one of them never has. It seems to me that a lot of the complaints are likely people that do a little too much "home cooking"...not to suggest that this includes you (SIP2000GLO) necessarily. But 1911's enjoy such a wide following with aftermarket parts and variations being so widely distributed, the owners who aren't qualified to smith a gun are probably doing so anyway and resulting in failures of some sort. Kind of like dog breeding. The best way to goof up a breed is to have everyone and their brother-in-law do it because that particular dog got popular.

Nevertheless, I am sure you got it already but I was just kidding. 1911's have been popular for 100 years for a good reason.

I wasn't kidding about my Glocks though. They actually are just as brilliant as my SIGs and are even a more useful pistol in many ways.

Yes, some people do some "home cooking" to their 1911s which causes problems. But rarely do I hear of any 1911s straight out of the box that run smoothly. All requires gunsmiths to do this, that, and these for them to run the way they are supposed to be run. By then, the gun cost 3 times the amount of what it's suppose to cost.

I voted Walther PPK, because my personal, first-hand experience with them is usually in the context of dealing with the fact that they do not feed reliably with anything but ball ammo, and sometimes not even with that. When someone uses the term "jam-o-matic," the PPk is one of the first guns that comes to my mind. They also have a double action trigger pull that absolutely sucks (the sub-$300 Bersa Thunder380 has a much better trigger), and on top of everything else, the little bastards tend to inflict nasty slide bite. James Bond can have it. When people come into the shop looking for a PPK, I try to steer them into a Sig P232.
The 1911, in its current state of production, would be my second vote. With the 1911, you either go basic Mil-Spec, feed it ball, and deal with the fact that it's accuracy is only minute-of-bad-guy, or you go full-out custom: Wilson, Brown, L.B, et. al., and get hand-crafted (expensive) perfection. Most maunfacturers nowadays are trying to put out a "factory custom" 1911 packed with "value-added" features; what they end up producing is generally an overhyped piece of unreliable crap. The worst offender in this regard is probably that company based in Yonkers, but most current 1911 builders are guilty of this to some degree.

1911

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Originally posted by SIP2000GLO:
All requires gunsmiths to do this, that, and these for them to run the way they are supposed to be run. By then, the gun cost 3 times the amount of what it's suppose to cost.

Wrong.

I love M 1911s as range guns but I do agree, they are not to SIG,Glock,Beretta,HK standards of reability.

Giving what Im hearing in the Media lately can I add the FN 5.7 to the list?

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by SIP2000GLO:
All requires gunsmiths to do this, that, and these for them to run the way they are supposed to be run. By then, the gun cost 3 times the amount of what it's suppose to cost.

Wrong.

OK . Six times more.

I far as I see it, this thread's got 1911 ALL OVER IT. Every single page got at least 1-1911 post.

If they were so good , why do people hate it?

I understand that it is a piece of history but times have changed.

But c'mon , I don't think Ford's first vehicle that rolled off the assembly line is as good as today's vehicles.

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Originally posted by SIP2000GLO:
Yes, some people do some "home cooking" to their 1911s which causes problems. But rarely do I hear of any 1911s straight out of the box that run smoothly. All requires gunsmiths to do this, that, and these for them to run the way they are supposed to be run. By then, the gun cost 3 times the amount of what it's suppose to cost.

Well, you've heard it here. I have two Colts that have been flawless out of the box.