I have a Shield M.2 in .40 that I converted to 357 Sig. Primarily because I disliked the .40. The difference in trajectory from the Shield's short barrel was more than I could easily compensate for. I had to change the front sight to a much shorter one to bring the hits up 4-5".
At this point the two barrels are not effectively interchangeable anymore. And I have close to a unicorn weapon but It's a whole lot of fun.
No worrris. They closed Chabot due to commies running the county. Target masters in Milpitas and Reeds in Santa Clara are the only indoor places in Santa Clara I’m aware of that are public access. I’m in Livermore and shoot indoor at guns fishing and other things Dublin and outdoor at the Livermore rod and gun club and also occasional trek to BLM which closes for public shooting May 1 due to fire.
Despite reports of its demise, .40 is still about even in the LE market as 9mm, last I checked. So it's still going to get significant ammo support.
.357 SIG never had that much penetration into the LE market, and that's dropping like a rock (see Jerry's previous post.) It's basically going the way that 10mm did (niche / enthusiast caliber.)
I don't carry insurance against meteor strikes or shark attack, either. FFS.
You weigh the likelihood of a threat against the potential loss caused by that threat, versus the resources needed to counter that threat, weighed against your available resources.
You should be carrying a long arm and wearing a plate carrier 24/7. But that also is woefully inadequate against many proven threats.
Personally, I prefer shooting. 357 to .40 and I happen to have both barrels for both my 229's. But when I carry a 229 it's almost always set up for .40 it's what I stock more of, practice more with (ammo availability and cost) and on certain occasions would want to maintain ammo compatibility with another weapon that is only in .40.
Saying that you MUST choose a certain thing (weapon, caliber, load, whatever) in order to achieve small incremental performance gains that could benefit you in certain corner cases, as a categorical imperative, is bloody retarded. Because the corner cases and available incremental performance gains available that could theoretically address them, never end.
It's not cut and dried YOU MUST unless you're willing to keep going down that rabbit hole all the way to the bottom.
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I love each time there is a mass shooting, we hear we just need “more good guys” with guns. When the heat is off, you read stuff like this.
From someone who carries every day.
But there are limits to the resources I will devote to physical security, because I have limited resources and many demands on them.
Get a grip.
And in case you couldn't tell, the long gun comment was a sarcastic reaction to the blowhard.
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It’s from someone who has been to two active shooters. Someone who refuses to make excuses about resources and let people die because I’m too lazy to train.
I have stepped over the dead that someone should have been there to help, and often it was a distance shot that could have saved them. So don’t fucking tell me to “get a grip”. I’ve firmly got a grip, and that grip isn’t running and hiding because things got hard. And it surely isn’t hiding behind made up statistics.
Spare me the “you’re a cop” crap. Even if I wasn’t on the job I still would not let people die. And part of that effort is not being lazy on front loading the training for all situations. Even the hard stuff.
So this has gone from you have to choose 357 over 40 because it's easier to hit with at 50 yards (if that were the only deciding factor then 357 and 40 are both unacceptable), to a blowhard saying I'm gonna die on the streets if I'm not fully prepared to take 50 yard shots at the Post Office, to your emotional incontinence.
Get a fucking grip.
It's also irrelevant. Nobody here has said any such thing.
If your handgun is an available resource, it's capable of engaging somone at 50 yards.
Entirely irrelevant, but if you feel you must, good luck to you.
Do you carry a handgun? That's relevant to the thread. If it's a .357 Sig, that's particularly relevant. A 50 yard shot is relevant in part because someone introduced it, and in part becuase the .357 Sig is a flat shooting, fast catrdige (which actually has less recoil impulse than .40) and is well suited to such a shot. Then again, if you carry 9X19 you should ge able to do the same.
Again, you don't get to choose the distance, unless you're hunting. If you're defensive, then the distance chooses you.
Of course not. It's irrelevant.
The only person talking about what one must do is YOU.
I'll jump back to topic
I got rid of all my .40's after getting into .357SIG. I think the firearm you choose makes a world of difference. I had a P229 in .357SIG, and a P226, and the only one I still have is a Glock 32. I don't know why but that G32 handles the round so well.
I love the sound signature, and I swear I can shoot that gun faster accurately than most of my 9mm's.
The pistol caliber debate will rage on for ages, so clearly there's no right answer. My advice, collect them all
*Handguns are fine, Shotguns are final
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So many really fun threads devolve into pissing matches.
Funny, the only 357SIG pistol I ever shot was a P229, and I really liked it. Don't know if it was the round or the gun, but I suspect the latter.
I want back a few posts, so we're actually talking about the round in question.
The difference in drop at 50 yards from comparable 357SIG to .40 is about an inch (that was with a 180 grain .40. A 155 or 165 might be less.) Given everything else that's going on in a shooting, and presuming the shooter has trained shooting at that range with the gun/ammo combo he carries, is this going to make a real difference?
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The construction of the gun is really more important than the caliber. Muzzle energy is a consideration for sure, but a shooter can pick and take either and do well.
I agree. People were making a big deal over the 357Sig being flatter shooting. We're not talking a laser vs a mortar here.
Man, that must be a massive gas station for their pumps to be half a football field away.
Also, I'm not sure I'm taking a shot with a pistol at 50 yards if my kids are a foot to the right of the bad guy...
I shoot 357 SIG because it's fun.
"Ninja kick the damn rabbit"
I shot a large Rottweiler with a P226 in 357SIG. Round entered the chest and exited the ham, transiting diagonally from L to R. Dog was dead when he landed. Did what I needed it to do, I have dispatched plenty of deer aand a cow with 9mm, and I shoot 40 in my USPSA games. I chose that caliber because I have buckets of brass and it meets major with little recoil.
When I retired they gave me my P226, I don’t carry it because it’s big for concealed carry. But I wouldn’t worry about either calibers, they both have their pros and cons. Go shoot the crap outta both calibers and make up your own mind.
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Wasn’t .357SIGs real claim to fame that it did well going though auto glass? I mean I know it was designed to replicate 125 grain .357 magnum but didn’t the various state patrols who adopted it primarily do so due to its performance through glass?
"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
Actually sold my 357 barrel for the p229. I will not sell those for my p239 and sp2022, The p239 especially. I am milking a few hundred rnds of gold dot. I still like my golden saber in 40
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