August 20, 2020, 07:42 AM
DirectDriveSIG Sauer AXG
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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Is that steel or aluminum?
The grips look plastic?
G10
See the layering ?
August 20, 2020, 09:24 AM
CQB60Just when I thought I was safe from grip screws....
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August 20, 2020, 10:16 AM
soflaacDefinitely like to see how the line-up of this turns out.
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America, Land of the Free - because of the Brave August 20, 2020, 02:43 PM
DirectDrivequote:
Originally posted by CQB60:
Just when I thought I was safe from grip screws....
Have the neighbor kid help you with them.
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I would change those to Allen or Torx though.
Never have been a slot fan, except on vintage stuff where it belongs.
August 20, 2020, 02:52 PM
GataGunnerPeople actually like flat triggers? I thought that was just a meme.
August 20, 2020, 03:14 PM
FHHM213That AXG seems to result from a long circular journey that concludes by asking, “Now what did we not like about the 226/229?”
But, I’m sure alloy frames are much cheaper now.
August 20, 2020, 03:44 PM
sigfreundWell, the AXG has a larger ducktail than the standard Classic line SIGs, which I’ve been told all these years is to prevent hammer bite.
Straight triggers in handguns have proved to be a major advantage for me. Because of the curvature of my trigger finger, the tip tends to contact the sharp pointed end of curved triggers. That’s uncomfortable and interferes with good trigger control. My fingertip contacts the same spot on straight triggers, but they don’t jab into it.
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— Plato August 20, 2020, 03:48 PM
DirectDrivequote:
Originally posted by GataGunner:
People actually like flat triggers? I thought that was just a meme.
1) You almost don't notice the difference between curved and flat.
2) Flat does bring more leverage to the party because your contact area is lower on the shoe face compared to a curved shoe face.
3) More leverage = lower pull weight.
4) You are not "cool" unless you have some flat triggers in the stable.
August 20, 2020, 03:54 PM
DirectDrivequote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
Well, the AXG has a larger ducktail than the standard Classic line SIGs, which I’ve been told all these years is to prevent hammer bite.
I have a P226 Elite that has the same beavertail as this AXG.
True, most P226 don't have much of a tail...
August 20, 2020, 05:18 PM
sns3guppyquote:
Originally posted by GataGunner:
People actually like flat triggers? I thought that was just a meme.
I really like them. I don't know about a "meme," but I have them on all my P320's and P365's, and on some rifles and carbines. I couldn't care less how they look.
August 20, 2020, 06:01 PM
sigfreundquote:
Originally posted by DirectDrive:
I have a P226 Elite that has the same beavertail as this AXG.
Yes, I know about them, and when I questioned why such tails had gotten so big years ago, it was supposedly to prevent hammer bite.
My comment was intended as a bit of irony about the fact that hammerless pistols are now similarly equipped.
I also find it interesting to watch the birth of new words or meanings. The most common way of describing the traditional triggers of Classic line SIG pistols and countless other guns is and always has been “curved”; how else would they be described?
And then the most common antonym of
curved is
straight, and yet somehow “flat” has become the way to describe modern triggers like the AXG’s. It would be interesting to know which vocabulary-challenged Internet pundit first did that.
I could attempt to start a movement to encourage the use of the proper term, but that of course would be a futile waste of time and effort. Already enough people are calling them
flat triggers, so there’s no doubt that flat triggers they will always be. As I say, I find it fascinating to see such things happen.
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— Plato August 20, 2020, 06:21 PM
Il Cattivo^^
They're being persnickety - the flat triggers have that little bitty bend down near the bottom, and the marketing kids probably vetoed calling it a 'bent' trigger.
It's interesting to hear your comment on the tip of your finger contacting the sharp, pointed end of a curved trigger. I have a slightly different problem with the trigger on the original P6/225 ("bottom" edge of the trigger finger seems to rub against the top of the bottom of the trigger guard or something), but I'm kind of curious to see if putting a flat trigger on one would help me.
August 20, 2020, 07:37 PM
DirectDrivequote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
quote:
Originally posted by DirectDrive:
I have a P226 Elite that has the same beavertail as this AXG.
Yes, I know about them, and when I questioned why such tails had gotten so big years ago, it was supposedly to prevent hammer bite.
My comment was intended as a bit of irony about the fact that hammerless pistols are now similarly equipped.
I also find it interesting to watch the birth of new words or meanings. The most common way of describing the traditional triggers of Classic line SIG pistols and countless other guns is and always has been “curved”; how else would they be described?
And then the most common antonym of
curved is
straight, and yet somehow “flat” has become the way to describe modern triggers like the AXG’s. It would be interesting to know which vocabulary-challenged Internet pundit first did that.
I could attempt to start a movement to encourage the use of the proper term, but that of course would be a futile waste of time and effort. Already enough people are calling them
flat triggers, so there’s no doubt that flat triggers they will always be. As I say, I find it fascinating to see such things happen.
I don't have a problem with either.
Often you'll see "flat-faced trigger shoe".
What I find odd/funny is "magwell".
Magwell is part of all pistols.
It's where the mag goes.
But some fool decided to call an add-on, magwell funnel, a magwell.
It's a magwell funnel.
August 20, 2020, 08:47 PM
sigfreundquote:
Originally posted by DirectDrive:
What I find odd/funny is "magwell".
Magwell is part of all pistols.
It's where the mag goes.
Yes, I thought about including that example in my rant as well, but believed it would be over-egging my pudding.
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— Plato August 21, 2020, 11:57 PM
benny6Maybe the beavertail is to prevent slide bite, not hammer bite?
If I over grip my G17, the slide will bite the web of my hand. Maybe it's to force you to grip it lower?
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August 22, 2020, 12:06 AM
12131quote:
Originally posted by benny6:
Maybe the beavertail is to prevent slide bite, not hammer bite?.
Exactly. Many folks like you have issue with slide bite.
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August 22, 2020, 06:22 AM
sigfreundquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
Exactly. Many folks like you have issue with slide bite.
As I say, I have long wondered why the ducktails on certain guns were so large, and therefore I’ve followed the rationales offered whenever the question has been discussed. Except for mention of slide bite with small guns like the PPK, it was always hammer bite, and I never saw it described as a problem with full-sized guns like all the SIG Classic line pistols that never commonly featured ducktails except in relatively recent times. I can understand how it could be a problem with Glocks and their low bore axes that aficionados praise so much, but with the P320‽ All I can say is I’m thankful I don’t have the hands that could get in the way of the slide of a gun like that.
But if we must have a reason and it can’t be hammers any more, slides will do. Thanks for that explanation that helps me keep up with these things.
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— Plato August 22, 2020, 09:28 AM
DirectDriveSlide Bite is a "thing".
August 22, 2020, 11:27 AM
sigfreundquote:
Originally posted by DirectDrive:
Slide Bite is a "thing".
What gun caused that?
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