There is a lot of garbage here. I prefer the 357SIG but that's my preference and I don't have to prove why. It's my choice.

If you are looking for a reason to get a 357SIG/40S&W platform. The best reason I can give you is the ability to shoot multiple calibers off the same frame.

I have the Sig P229 in 40S&W and have a 357SIG barrel. With that barrel I can swap out and shoot 2 calibers in the same gun frame with the same magazines.

Now do know you can pick up an aftermarket 9mm barrel and now you can shoot 3 calibers off the same gun. The same frame, same magazines. My barrels are from Barsto but you can go to many others.

www.barsto.com

Note: you can not go from a 9mm frame and shoot 40S&W/357SIG. The gun must start off a 40S&W/357SIG to shoot 9mm too.

Have fun shooting whatever makes you happy.

Georgia Arms does have a good deal for practice ammo on 357SIG. 100gr Frangible for $300 per 1000 (case) which comes to about $15 per box of 50.

www.georgia-arms.com

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No. The 9mm 124 gr. +P can do anything the .357 SIG can do with a few inconsequential exceptions. It can do it cheaper and with less flash and less recoil allowing for faster follow up shots.

Same for the 380 then too. I mean it's only giving up 25gr of bullet wt & 150fps, also w/ less recoil & blast, about like the diff. between the 9mm & 357sig, Hmmm.

You've made this dumbass argument before. It's not a valid comparison.

What's the matter Ogie, someone pee in your cereal this morning? It's not that dumb-ass an arguement. You believe that a 124gr bullet @ 1200fps is the same as 125gr bullet @ 1400fps, you would say close enough. So 100gr bullet @ 1000-1050fps is not that far off a 124gr @ 1200fps, close enough. Your logic, not mine. If vel. & mass doesn't matter, if all 9mm rounds are the same, well? I'm just trying to follow YOUR logic. You need to relax buddy, as always, JMO & you have yours.

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by fredj338:

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Originally posted by Ogie:
No. The 9mm 124 gr. +P can do anything the .357 SIG can do with a few inconsequential exceptions. It can do it cheaper and with less flash and less recoil allowing for faster follow up shots.

Same for the 380 then too. I mean it's only giving up 15gr of bullet wt & 150fps, also w/ less recoil & blast, about like the diff. between the 9mm & 357sig, Hmmm.

You've made this dumbass argument before. It's not a valid comparison.

It's not that dumb-ass. You believe that a 124gr bullet @ 1200fps is the same as 125gr bullet @ 1400fps, you would say close enough. So 100gr bullet @ 1000fps is not that far off a 124gr @ 1200fps. Your logic, not mine. If vel. & mass doesn't matter, if all 9mm rounds are the same, well? I'm just trying to follow YOUR logic.

That's not my logic at all. By the way it's about 1230 fps vs 1350 fps. Pretty soon though you will be comparing the shooting of BB guns to CO2 pistols and stating that there isn't that much difference in their velocity so, using your logic, a BB gun will be close to the .357 SIG round in effectiveness. Give it up, you're being assinine.

Vermillion, I'm a new convert, so the "glow" may be coloring my perception, but I'd say if you'd like the extra velocity, why not get a cartridge and platform that was designed to deliver it? Heavy 9mm loads are fine, but at some point you're asking it to be something it's not. At that point the service life of the pistol is shortened and whatever risk to you physically that exists gets heightened. Go ahead and get the 357. If nothing else, I don't seem to have heard of a 357 that wasn't pretty dang accurate.

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That's not my logic at all. By the way it's about 1230 fps vs 1350 fps. Pretty soon though you will be comparing the shooting of BB guns to CO2 pistols and stating that there isn't that much difference in their velocity so, using your logic, a BB gun will be close to the .357 SIG round in effectiveness. Give it up, you're being assinine.

Ok, now that was an assanine bit of analogy. Definitely a sign of an unstable mind.

Definitely gonna get the 357sig. If only because I want to shoot something different with a louder bang, more blast, and more recoil. I love recoil

In that case DO NOT get a 226ST!

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By the way it's about 1230 fps vs 1350 fps.

No, it is 1400 and up. My .357 Sig carry rounds are 1450fps.

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By the way it's about 1230 fps vs 1350 fps.

No, it is 1400 and up. My .357 Sig carry rounds are 1450fps.

It's no use, unstable mind.

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Originally posted by Ogie:
That's not my logic at all. By the way it's about 1230 fps vs 1350 fps. Pretty soon though you will be comparing the shooting of BB guns to CO2 pistols and stating that there isn't that much difference in their velocity so, using your logic, a BB gun will be close to the .357 SIG round in effectiveness. Give it up, you're being assinine.

Ok, now that was an assanine bit of analogy. Definitely a sign of an unstable mind.

That's YOUR logic at work.

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By the way it's about 1230 fps vs 1350 fps.

No, it is 1400 and up. My .357 Sig carry rounds are 1450fps.

It's no use, unstable mind.

If you do apples to apples you will find that factory Speer 124 gr. +P in 9mm is 1230 fps and factory Speer 125 gr. .357 SIG is 1350. Stop with the bullshit. It's annoying.

100fps to me is negligible. I started this thread mainly to see if there was a BIG difference between the two calibers. From what I've read so far, speed, penetration, and cost are about the same. 9mm +P would probably be easier to find sometimes while 357sig since its NOT as popular might also be easier to find in some places.

I also love 9mm and I'll probably love 357sig so can't all the calibers just get along?

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If you do apples to apples you will find that factory Speer 124 gr. +P in 9mm is 1230 fps and factory Speer 125 gr. .357 SIG is 1350. Stop with the bullshit. It's annoying.

I was going to comment, but it wouldn't be fair. Vermilion is right, "can't we all just get along"?

When I was out at Randy's last week, he has a Vihtavuori manual that shows a 90 grain loading for the 357 SIG at 1900 fps. WOW, is all I could think........

Not to throw fuel on the fire, but it seems that most of the online ammo dealers have larger selections of 357 SIG over 9mm right now.

Gents,

Give identical placement and bullet weights I suspect the perp wouldn't know the difference between the +P+ 9mm and the .357 Sig.

The Sig has an edge in energy and ability to penetrate car bodies, etc. over the 9mm. How much is debatable. Probably none of us will ever be shooting through glass or car bodies so the point is moot.

Premium 9mm is a little cheaper and easier to obtain. I carry and like both calibers. Buy it by the case for best prices.

Loads are: 9MM/Winchester Ranger SXT LE 127 Gr. +P+ (RA9TA) 1,260 FPS

.357 Sig/Winchester Ranger SXT LE 125 Gr. (RA357SIGT) 1,360 FPS

Wes

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Originally posted by Ogie:
If you do apples to apples you will find that factory Speer 124 gr. +P in 9mm is 1230 fps and factory Speer 125 gr. .357 SIG is 1350. Stop with the bullshit. It's annoying.

I was going to comment, but it wouldn't be fair. Vermilion is right, "can't we all just get along"?

You're right, it wouldn't be fair because every time you comment you dig yourself deeper in the hole. But I'll go for trying to get along.

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by fredj338:

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Originally posted by Ogie:
If you do apples to apples you will find that factory Speer 124 gr. +P in 9mm is 1230 fps and factory Speer 125 gr. .357 SIG is 1350. Stop with the bullshit. It's annoying.

I was going to comment, but it wouldn't be fair. Vermilion is right, "can't we all just get along"?

You're right, it wouldn't be fair because every time you comment you dig yourself deeper in the hole. But I'll go for trying to get along.

Not much of a start ogie. From where I stand, the hole is pretty shallow & I don't have to resort to name calling. Others that lose their point often do. You have an opinion, so do I. At least make the effort to be civil. Your opinion is just that, not better, not worse, not even right sometimes, but still yours.

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Originally posted by fredj338:

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Originally posted by Ogie:
If you do apples to apples you will find that factory Speer 124 gr. +P in 9mm is 1230 fps and factory Speer 125 gr. .357 SIG is 1350. Stop with the bullshit. It's annoying.

I was going to comment, but it wouldn't be fair. Vermilion is right, "can't we all just get along"?

You're right, it wouldn't be fair because every time you comment you dig yourself deeper in the hole. But I'll go for trying to get along.

Not much of a start ogie. From where I stand, the hole is pretty shallow & I don't have to resort to name calling. Others that lose their point often do. You have an opinion, so do I. At least make the effort to be civil. Your opinion is just that, not better, not worse, not even right sometimes, but still yours.

When you said you were going to comment but it wouldn't be fair, what did you mean by that? Was that your best attempt at "getting along?"

And yet you did resort to name calling and you did jump on me first with your smarmy remarks aobut the .380.

If you check this link you will see a chart that shows penetration in ballistic gel. The regular 124 gr. 9mm round, not even the +P variety, penetrates past 12 inches. The .357 SIG round penetrates just a hair past that. The 147 gr. 9mm round penetrates farther than the .357 SIG round. Penetration is the prominent wounding factor while the temporary stretch cavity is an insignificant factor in elastic tissue. Also, the FBI protocol requires that bullet rounds penetrate at least 12 inches to be considered acceptable for self defense. Both the 9mm and the .357 SIG pass that test. The chart does not list the .380. However, I have seen published tests that indicate penetration of 7 to 9 inches in ballistic gel by the Hornady Critical defense ammo. It is a 90 grain projectile travelling at 950 fps. In the scheme of the FBI testing that would not be considered acceptable. Furthermore, as much as you would like to paint the .380 as being similar to the 9mm, when it comes to penetration, it is not and does not meet the criteria the way that the 9mm and .357 SIG round do. Here is the link:

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/S...e_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Not THIS same BS game AGAIN?!
Dont we all know that PLACEMENT is POWER? Beyond that any resonable caliber 9mm and up will be ok.

Im not arguing for or against the 9mm, Im just saying, it doesnt really matter that much these days, shoot what you are comfortable with and make damn sure to shoot it well. Weve seen this argument too many times, its old, we get it, you like object X, not object Y, whatever.

Buffalo Bore makes a 380+p with a 110 grain bullet moving over 1100 fps with 300 ft lbs of energy.