I was considering getting some FIOCCHI, mfg. Italy. 9mm +P+ 115gr fmj 2007 production with NATO head stamp and was wondering how “Hot” the ammo was?

And if it would be OK to use in a H+K P7M8 and Sig X5 L1?


Thanks Mitch

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Don't know but I am about to find out and order a case from Dan's. I like Nato ammo for carbines. Not necessary in handgun / short distance targets. IMO

According to Janes the Italians load their military 9mm NATO with an 8 gram bullet at 305 meters/second. That's a 124gr bullet at 1,000 fps.

Several years ago I chrono's some Italian manufactured commercial 115gr Fiocchi JHP ammo at around 1,300 fps from a Beretta 92f and Glock 19. This was not marked as +P ammo. Usually when looking at the Fiocchi line you don't see a +P load listed but their ammo usually runs at US ammo's +P velocity.

Depends.

Fiochi 9x19 made in the USA is made to SAAMI standards, and ammo made in Italy to CIP standards. The CIP pressure max is about the same as the SAAMI +P max, around 38,500 psi.

NATO mil-spec varies. US M882 NATO can be as high as 46,250 psi. Or not. IMI NATO mil spec is about the same as the SAAMI +P/CIP limit...

In regards to the Fiocchi 9mm 115gr fmj NATO headstamp G.F.L. (Italy) 07 production:

Packaged in normal 9mmAP box with a Italian stick-on label reading 50 Cartucce Cal. 9x19 FMJ 115 +P+ cod.70999900 lotto 4712192

Tested at Fiocchi USA in Ozark -
average velocity is 1,258 fps.
average pressure is 39,725 ft lbs per sq in.

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Originally posted by BrokenArrow:
Depends.

Fiochi 9x19 made in the USA is made to SAAMI standards, and ammo made in Italy to CIP standards. The CIP pressure max is about the same as the SAAMI +P max, around 38,500 psi.

NATO mil-spec varies. US M882 NATO can be as high as 46,250 psi. Or not. IMI NATO mil spec is about the same as the SAAMI +P/CIP limit...

Uh, about how fast would one expect a 125-grain bullet to be propelled from a cartridge of 46,250 psi chamber pressure?

Specs 385 +/- 15 ms (1263 fps +/- 45 fps) at 16m (53 ft) from a 200mm (7.9") test bbl, or about the same at 15 ft from an M9.

Early lots of Olin XM882 from XM9s avgd 1273 fps at 15 ft. Recent stuff may not be as hot.

Max pressure at case mouth is 36,250 psi, mid case pressures are 8-10K higher (closer to where SAAMI measures pressure).

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Originally posted by Dan's:
In regards to the Fiocchi 9mm 115gr fmj NATO headstamp G.F.L. (Italy) 07 production:

Packaged in normal 9mmAP box with a Italian stick-on label reading 50 Cartucce Cal. 9x19 FMJ 115 +P+ cod.70999900 lotto 4712192

Tested at Fiocchi USA in Ozark -
average velocity is 1,258 fps.
average pressure is 39,725 ft lbs per sq in.

That would be +P+ by SAAMI or CIP standards.

Has anybody actually chronographed it?

About 10 yrs ago I avgd about 1265 fps from a G19 for the Italian made to CIP specs 115 JHP and 123 FMJ/TC "Combat" loads.

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Originally posted by granite:
Has anybody actually chronographed it?

+1. I'm curious, also.