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Originally posted by SubSolar:

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Originally posted by ogive40:
The .357 sig has its merits, but I think I nice big +P .45 230g HST still wins out for most non-barrier confrontations.

The edge always go to the larger diameter bullet.

I agree.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&u...o7cxFXVor2GeZXuRF2FQ

One HST expanded to 1.19"! I'm sre the .357 Sig is a very powerful round, but I'd prefer to punch silver dollar sized holes.

I loved that whole presentation, but my favorite thing was on the ballistics test the first thing they tested was a .07mm BB hahaha

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Originally posted by verbl:

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Originally posted by SubSolar:

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Originally posted by ogive40:
The .357 sig has its merits, but I think I nice big +P .45 230g HST still wins out for most non-barrier confrontations.

The edge always go to the larger diameter bullet.

I agree.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&u...o7cxFXVor2GeZXuRF2FQ

One HST expanded to 1.19"! I'm sre the .357 Sig is a very powerful round, but I'd prefer to punch silver dollar sized holes.

I loved that whole presentation, but my favorite thing was on the ballistics test the first thing they tested was a .07mm BB hahaha

Haha, I didn't even notice that, WTF.

The only advantage I see with the Sig357 is that it will be slightly more reliable as it is a bottle nosed cartridge. It will penetrate more through car bodies but that means it will waste energy going through things that need to be stopped right now and not in cars.

Properly calibrated ballsitics gel requires a known test sample, such as a BB shot at a fixed velocity. You then measure the penetration and the test results can be accurately calibrated.

TankDriver, does it really work? Do you shoot it? Where?

Cannons above were being fired at the NRA's Whittington Center in NM.

http://www.nrawc.org/

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Originally posted by skeeeter:
The only advantage I see with the Sig357 is that it will be slightly more reliable as it is a bottle nosed cartridge. It will penetrate more through car bodies but that means it will waste energy going through things that need to be stopped right now and not in cars.

TX DPS has been using the 357 since 97, the NM DPS since 99; they have not had that problem when shooting people not in cars. Are very happy w the performance of their 357S (125 GD). Were not as happy w the performance of their previous 45s from 91 - 99 (200 Speer JHP, 230 Win SXT JHP, 230 Win SXT +P JHP).

This isn't really true. For example, I'd take 357Sig over 9mm Para because the extra velocity can be used to ensure both more reliable and larger expansion along with deeper penetration.

However .45 starts at a larger diameter to begin with, so less expansion is required for the same or greater expanded diameter.

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Originally posted by skeeeter:
The only advantage I see with the Sig357 is that it will be slightly more reliable as it is a bottle nosed cartridge. It will penetrate more through car bodies but that means it will waste energy going through things that need to be stopped right now and not in cars.

Mine is not live yet.... But I have several friends who owns ones the are. A guy has a 90mm live for sale for a mer 125,000. only 75.00 bucks a RELOADED round to shoot.




Link to video of it being fired.

https://armamentsales.sslpowered.com/downloads/T8%2090mm%20DTA.wmv

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Originally posted by tankdriver:
Mine is not live yet.... But I have several friends who owns ones the are. A guy has a 90mm live for sale for a mer 125,000. only 75.00 bucks a RELOADED round to shoot.

WOW, I am assuming this is not reloaded on a Dillon?

And detractor of the 357SIG mention ammo costs...

Naw.... I do not think Dillion's has a shell holder for it....

Thanks for posting those 90mm pics. During WW2 my mom worked in, as she said "the war plant".
She worked for GilBarCo (Gilbert and Barker Co.)
in the plant set up to build parts for M1,M1A1 and M2 90mm guns. There are a couple on display here (Ft.Bliss actually) and years ago when I was a kid we'd stop and look at them and she'd show me the parts she inspected before the were sent for final assembly.

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Originally posted by IndridCold:

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I carry an 11mm eargesplitten loudenbooomer.

To shoot anything less means you are a sissy girl.

With the terminal ballistics of a tactical nuke, thats what I'm talkin about. 9mm is for sissy men and old ladies.

Couldn't resist but you 2 men must be compensating for something LMAO!