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guess it depends if the LE organization you are working for dictates a need or approves bonded jhp loads (like bonded Winchester Ranger; bonded Remington Golden Sabre; bonded Speer Gold Dot) vs conventiona construction jhp loads; either way find a reputable LE dealer and hopefully they can provide you with 50 round boxes at a discounted price
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Federal HST 230 +P. I also have RA45T. I think either could do the job, along with all the quality ammunition mentioned here.
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Double Tap 230gr Gold Dot (1010fps muzzle)
or Federal HST 230gr +P (if you can find them) ______________________________________________________________________ "I like my defensive calibers to start with a 4 and preferably end with a 5" |
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Hornady 230 grn TAP... I just found 80 rounds and runs like a top through my Ed Brown.
_________________________ Favorite Firearms Owned: -Ed Brown Executive Elite .45 ACP Stainless, Gen III, Novaks, Single Side Safety -Sig Sauer 226 ST 9mm x2 -Ruger Red Label 12 Gauge 30'' Skeet Model -Ever increasing in number... |
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I use what the local gendarme are authorized to use, Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP.
=================================== "Speak the truth, but ride a fast horse." -- Old West Texas cowboy saying |
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Remington Golden Saber 230 grain JHP.
Not the latest, the sexiest, and probably not the most effective. But it feeds well in most .45 autos, relatively easy to find, and is a pretty consistent performer. __________________________ Self Defense is a Human Right James Madison: "Americans need never fear their government because of the advantage of (the States) being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation." (author of the 2nd Amendment) |
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Best Defense Ammo
Check this out. My P.D. is using Speer Gold Dots and I use same for my off-duty. ======================= Certifed Sig Classic Pistol Armorer USMC: 1975-1979 Lawdog: 1980 to ??? Soldier of Christ: January 2000 to Eternity Sheepdog who has found the Shepherd "But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8) |
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The rounds suggested all are tried and proved to be quite good. Doubt you can go wrong.
Winchesters charts suggest that the "Ranger Bonded / Q4355" bullet is the same as the "Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 bullet". Wichester indicated in January 2009: "The new Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1, which was chosen by the FBI as their primary service round, is now available in a full line of popular handgun calibers. The Bonded PDX1 is engineered to maximize terminal ballistics, as defined by the demanding FBI test protocol, which simulates real-world threats. The new Winchester Bonded PDX is offered in 9mm, 40 Smith & Wesson, 45 automatic and .38 special." Both are UNLIKE the SXT in that they appear to be, "Reverse-Taper, Copper Alloy jacket bonded to the 'lead core' via a proproetary process. Tests suggest this greatly improved 'Controld expansion and improves weight retention. Indications from what I read are that the SXT bullet, around since 1995 or (except for the new Bonded SXT / Ranger) may be phased out. Winchester info at one of their sites: http://www.winchester.com/news...iew.aspx?storyid=255 More info at: http://www.winchester.com/products/newitems/pdx1.aspx Law Enforcement Handgun Ballistics - "BONDED" / "T" Series and many others at Winchester site (PDF Format): http://www.winchester.com/lawe...cement%20Catalog.pdf The specs on BONDED (Velocity, Energy Etc.) appear the same; the articles above, however, seem to deal more with "penetration, expansion and so on. If they truly are phasing out the "original" SXT and the "Bonded" is the new ticket, I gather the Supreme Elite "Bonded" PDX1 (Ranger Bonded?) will exceed the Rangers we rave about today. The PDX1, out for 10 months, now available in all popular calibers, seems to have the edge or is at least the equal of the new "Bonded Ranger" when it comes to punching through Wallboard, Steel, Plywood and Auto Glass. Handgun Bullet Barrier Testing Protocol is quite impressive for "T" and "Bonded" Ranger. http://www.winchester.com/lawe...cement%20Catalog.pdf While we (civilians) seem to strive to use the ammo the Law Enforcement Community uses - it appears to me that the "names have been changed to protect the profit margin" and that the new RANGER BONDED and the Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1 are twins. OK .. I'm no expert, I siply read a lot - especially the manufacturers info - so, my 'opinion / observation may be way off base. I've no doubt someone has more info and real-world experience with both these rounds. I hope that info gets shared! Don't Let The Smoke Get In Your Eyes |
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230gr Federal Hydra-Shok.
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