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Preferred Indoor Defense Ammo?

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October 15, 2020, 02:06 AM
bronicabill
Preferred Indoor Defense Ammo?
As someone who has been shooting for over 50 years now, I feel that I should already have answered this question myself. However, I still cannot decide the following: What would be the preferred indoor self-defense solution using one of my SIG pistols....

1) P226/9mm with 17+1
2) P229 in .40S&W with 12+1
3) P229 in .357SIG with 12+1

Those are my options, all of which have tritium night sights, and all have been tested at 100% reliability.

So, from those three options, which would you choose, and why?


Bill R.
North Alabama
October 15, 2020, 05:08 AM
sourdough44
I was talking to an adult son the other day as he was musing about bare ammo shelves. I said, ‘do you know, you can shoot the bad guy with FMJ ammo’?

I don’t mean to be trite, but since the 3 have been tested, any could be the ideal choice. I think situational awareness, availability, & preparedness for the encounter are key. Let your dog give the early warning.

I’m still a 40 fan, I’d pick that.
October 15, 2020, 07:44 AM
Expert308
Whichever one you're most comfortable shooting and hit the best with.
October 15, 2020, 08:32 AM
Pipe Smoker
Depends on your situation. I live in a condo. Out of concern for my neighbors, I use Federal Guard Dog. It has an EFMJ (Expanding Full Metal Jacket) bullet. A plastic tip in the bullet causes expansion when it hits anything, including dry wall. That reduces dry wall penetration.

A JHP bullet expands only by hydraulic force, and goes through dry wall like ball ammo. I use it in my 9mm P226 X5 Competition.

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October 15, 2020, 08:41 AM
sigfreund
Although there is not a huge difference from 1 to 3 in ballistic effectiveness, and even less between 2 and 3, 3 would be—and is—my choice for that reason.

There is a miniscule chance that a home invader will do anything other than turn and flee as fast as his legs will carry him if confronted by an armed defender, not to mention if he’s being shot at. In the highly unlikely event that he decides to push his luck, however, then I would want the most effective round available. I can deliver accurate fire with all three of the mentioned cartridges and handguns, and I am literally only hundredths of a second faster with the least powerful of the lot so “shootability” isn’t something I fear will affect my effectiveness.

Edit: Knew what I wanted to say, but ....

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October 15, 2020, 10:54 AM
fritz
quote:
Originally posted by Expert308:
Whichever one you're most comfortable shooting and hit the best with.

Bingo.
That hasn't changed in last 50 years. Doubtful it will change in the next 50 years.
October 15, 2020, 04:13 PM
Sig209
quote:
Originally posted by fritz:
quote:
Originally posted by Expert308:
Whichever one you're most comfortable shooting and hit the best with.

Bingo.
That hasn't changed in last 50 years. Doubtful it will change in the next 50 years.


agree this is always the answer

i'm fine w/ 9mm

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October 15, 2020, 05:13 PM
RogueJSK
Yep.

Keep in mind that any round that won't penetrate walls also won't effectively penetrate a bad guy. As someone (jljones?) here put it not too long ago: "Don't choose your defensive ammo based on what round would be the best to miss with".

Pick a quality modern JHP in whatever defensive caliber you shoot best, and use that for all your defensive purposes (indoor/outdoor/summer/winter/whatever). Train until you can shoot quickly and accurately, even under stress. Pay attention to your backstops and optimal shooting lanes.
October 15, 2020, 06:25 PM
bronicabill
Thanks for all of the comments. I forgot to mention that my chosen defense ammo in all three calibers is Hornady Critical Defense...


Bill R.
North Alabama
October 17, 2020, 10:27 AM
smlsig
I agree with the hive that which ever one you can shoot the best is the one to keep by your bedside. One question I have is do you have a light on any of them? Also, if you have any concerns on the viability of the 9mm (I don’t, particularly at short ranges) then possibly consider +P ammo.

MY personal preference is my 226 due mainly to the capacity of the weapon.


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October 17, 2020, 12:27 PM
bronicabill
quote:
Originally posted by smlsig:
I agree with the hive that which ever one you can shoot the best is the one to keep by your bedside. One question I have is do you have a light on any of them? <<snip>>

I currently do not have a light on any of them, and my P226R is the only one with a rail, so it'll be getting a light soon as I've decided to make it my primary "something went bump in the dark" gun for household protection. I do have a high-power tactical light that I keep on my nightstand for checking out the house... and for any other reason I'd want light without turning on the household lights, so that is what I've been using to to date.

Edit to add: I have no problem with 9mm ammo for home defense... the original question was intended to answer the nagging one of "Do I choose higher capacity, or larger caliber and sacrifice some capacity?" Big Grin


Bill R.
North Alabama
October 21, 2020, 11:53 AM
SBrooks
Since I'm not a cop and not a drug dealer, I just have trouble seeing any real chance of having multiple armed invaders at the house. We live in a very rural setting. I think many invasions might have one guy armed and the others probably just tagging along to collect the loot or drive or be watchouts, etc. Don't think the precentage chance of having 3 armed assailants is remotely reasonable.

So, capacity isn't very high on my list of important things. My .357mag SP101 has a laser grip and I kindof like that for night-time operations (not to mention it's pretty damned powerful) - but only 5 rounds.
Under the bed is a Mossberg turkey gun filled with 00buck - again, not very many rounds in the grand scheme of things, but probably enough for anything likely to happen at my house.


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SBrooks
October 21, 2020, 01:12 PM
bendable
let's see , you are in alabama so.....yes





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October 23, 2020, 05:57 PM
Nuclear
I'd go with the P226, only because of it's higher capacity and less recoil. Because you may have to shoot someone more than once. Maybe a lot more. Maybe more than one person more than once. No one complains about not having to reload a gun.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
November 03, 2020, 12:33 PM
cslinger
Gold Dot, HST, Golden Sabre, Ranger SXT, PDX1, critical duty/defense.....hell I’d be fine with win white box JHP.

124 grain in 9mm
165-180 grain in .40
230 grain in .45

I don’t shoot .357 SIG.

So basically any or all of those with any half decent defensive ammo that I knew functioned. I am fairly caliber and brand agnostic as I know there is no wunderbullet.

YMMV of course.


"Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man."
November 04, 2020, 06:45 PM
egregore
quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:

Keep in mind that any round that won't penetrate walls also won't effectively penetrate a bad guy. As someone (jljones?) here put it not too long ago: "Don't choose your defensive ammo based on what round would be the best to miss with".

Or, as I like to say, if your bullet won't make a hole in a wall, it won't make a hole in a man, either. Razz

I recommend whatever ammo you carry on the street, and don't miss. Hollow-point handgun bullets don't usually through-and-through penetrate a body. Scope out your house for "shoot" or "no-shoot" zones (will your bullet hit, for example, your kids' bedrooms) and don't fire in that direction unless absolutely necessary.
November 05, 2020, 05:44 PM
RichardC
I prefer 357 Sig.

After it decimates the enemy and all his adjacent cohorts, it describes an elegant arc, and returns to your right hand.

Just remember rule #4.


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