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The transfer to the local dealer from Silencer Shop will be on a Form 3. Go into your Silencer Shop account and look under transfers. It should tell you when it disposed.
 
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^^this. I just went back and read your OP two or three times so it made sense in *my* head. From SS to your dealer it goes on a form 3. The form 4 is not suppose to be filed until your dealer gets the form 3 saying he is now the owner of the can. Each form transfers ownership. 3 to 4 is dealer to customer. If you have a serial number of the can you can call the ATF and request status of the form 3 also.


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Originally posted by SR025:
Usually if the correction is submitted within a certain time frame you don't lose you spot in line and that means you were/are about to be approved.


This is usually true, but it generally happens when the can already exists and someone makes a mistake on their form 1 or 4 in terms of trust name spelling or address, something else pretty minor.

If the can really doesn't exist or is a place-holder serial number that's a bigger problem. I'm interested to see how this turns out because Ak's case doesn't seem to be isolated re: silencershop.


True, I misread the OP.
 
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The transfer to the local dealer from Silencer Shop will be on a Form 3. Go into your Silencer Shop account and look under transfers. It should tell you when it disposed.


It's been missing from my account on their website since the beginning. I've emailed them several times about it, and was told it wasn't a big deal.
Here's a copy of that correspondence:
quote:

This is a known issue we are having with our website. We do have our IT team working to correct it for you. That should be fixed within the next week or so.
The ATF cashed the check on 6/13/2016. From there, we are seeing about 7-9 months or so for them to approve the From 4. Please let us know if you need anything else.

Thank you,

Chandler Curtis

Silencer Ownership Simplified
www.SilencerShop.com
Phone: 512-931-4556
Fax: 888-659-1246
Phone Hours: Mon~Fri 9am - 6pm, Sat Noon-4pm

From: Phil Larson Sr [mailto:phillip.r.larson@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 10:48 AM
To: Silencer Shop Sales <sales@silencershop.com>
Subject: RE: Silencer Shop: New Order # 285089

I logged into my account on your site, and didn’t see this order reflected. Can I get an update please? Also, shouldn’t this order be in my account on your site?

Thanks,

Phil Larson


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^^this. I just went back and read your OP two or three times so it made sense in *my* head. From SS to your dealer it goes on a form 3. The form 4 is not suppose to be filed until your dealer gets the form 3 saying he is now the owner of the can. Each form transfers ownership. 3 to 4 is dealer to customer. If you have a serial number of the can you can call the ATF and request status of the form 3 also.


I did this today. There is not a form 3 on file with them transferring to my FFL. But the person on the phone didn't seem concerned that my form 4 is still pending, and no form 3 on file. That confused me...but he acted like it wasn't a big deal. I'm hoping it isn't. I think it probably will be.


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"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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I just logged in and checked my account again, this order still doesn't show up in their computer system.


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"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
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"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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While I'm sharing emails.....here's another time I raised concerns with them:

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Tue 11/8/2016 6:27 AM
Sir
The ATF processed the payment for your form 4 paperwork on _6/3_. It takes approximately 6 to 8 months for the process to be completed by them after processing the payment.
Your dealer will call you when the approved form 4 with affixed stamp has been received and the NFA item can be transferred to you.

If it has been 6 months since the BATF processed the funds, then you can contact the ATF at 304-616-4500 for further updates.
You will need your serial# of the suppressor when you call.

Regards
Jay Dunlap

Silencer Ownership Simplified
www.SilencerShop.com
Phone: 512-931-4556
Fax: 888-659-1246
Phone Hours: Mon~Fri 9am - 6pm, Sat Noon-4pm
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From: Phil Larson Sr [mailto:phillip.r.larson@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 12:00 AM
To: Silencer Shop Sales <sales@silencershop.com>
Subject: RE: Silencer Shop Status Update for Order 285087

Could I get an update to this please?

Also, it’s a bit disconcerting that the order doesn’t show up in my account when I’m logged into your website.

I appreciate you guys looking into this for me. It just feels like it should be time by now…. I’ve got friends that ordered in May…after me, who are getting their stamps back already.

Thanks,

Phil Larson.

From: Silencer Shop Sales [mailto:sales@silencershop.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:40 PM
To: phillip.r.larson@gmail.com
Subject: Silencer Shop Status Update for Order 285087

The required transfer paperwork has been queued for submission to the ATF for the following item(s):

Qty Manufacturer Model Serial Number(s)
1 Yankee Hill Machine Co., Inc. YHM-3300-BTI-24 (TI Phantom 7.62 QD - Black) *snipped*

We are also going to handle the Form 4 submission for this order and will take care of getting that submitted as soon as possible.

Your item(s) will be held at '*snipped*' while we're waiting for the final Form 4 approval from the ATF, and you will receive additional status messages as the process progresses.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us.

SilencerShop.com
(512) 931-4556


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"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
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"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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Let me correct myself somewhat AkSuper...I think SS has some type of process setup with their "Silencer Shop Simplified", etc dealers where they may file the form 4 for you as well and then just ship the suppressor to your local dealer..? Don't quote me on this and I'm not certain how their system works...it may be where the breakdown occurred. I'm spitballing here.


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Technically they could probably get away with sending the form 3 now, as long as it clears before the form 4 comes up. Does your local dealer have the suppressor yet? (they shouldn't, if a form 3 has not been done)
 
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Technically they could probably get away with sending the form 3 now, as long as it clears before the form 4 comes up. Does your local dealer have the suppressor yet? (they shouldn't, if a form 3 has not been done)

He does not have it. Which prompted the multiple emails to the company asking why the process is not going the way they said it was supposed to.

They side-stepped each time, and now I'm stuck in this position. I'm wondering now if the ATF knows, and is letting my form 4 sit in pending while SS gets their crap together to fix their mistake. I eluded to that with the agent over the phone, but he insisted that March would be the natural time for my application to be approved and he didn't understand what I might be upset about.

March represents 11 months since I purchased the suppressor and paid for the tax stamp. I hope Trump guts their organization. I'd like to see this red-tape gone.

I'm thinking that the prudent step at this point is to not make additional waves until March. It's a gamble, because if SS screws this up, then I've wasted 2 more months in getting going on the next waiting period. On the other hand, SS is sitting on over $1100 of my money. Money which is hard to get back.

I can imagine that call to capitol one...


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"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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www.GLVS.org
 
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I'm confused. I though that a form 4 was to transfer to a trust, corporation, or individual, and that a form 3 was to transfer between dealers in NFA items.

Why would a form 4 be used to transfer to an FFL?


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I'm confused. I though that a form 4 was to transfer to a trust, corporation, or individual, and that a form 3 was to transfer between dealers in NFA items.


You are correct

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Originally posted by TooTech:
Why would a form 4 be used to transfer to an FFL?


It wouldn't, people have typo'd this a few times in this thread.



 
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My FFL emailed me yesterday that he finally received notice that the silencer is in the mail to him.

Still hoping the ATF ran a holding pattern while silencer shop re-did their paperwork, and that I'll perhaps get this thing next month as the ATF said in the last phone call I had with them.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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www.GLVS.org
 
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Please keep me updated. I plan on getting a Rugged can from their kiosk system in a few months. I hope your issues are not a glimpse of future problems.


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Showed up at my FFL's doorstep today.

He's convinced I'll be waiting another 9 months by what he sees in his "dashboard" on their website.

I really hope he's wrong.

Meanwhile....I continue to implore all whom I come in contact to never use silencershop. Ever.

I continue to be contacted privately by people who see this thread and relay their similar experience with silencershop. I was in Portland last week at a local SOT dealership/LE supply store, and they relayed some silencership horror stories they were a part of...and informed me that they've stopped doing business with them as well.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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www.GLVS.org
 
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You've got the SN, call the ATF and ask them what the status is. I was royally effed by an sot on some suppressors, and after a friendly phone call explaining my situation, they were extremely helpful in providing me all of the information I needed to resolve the situation.
 
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You've got the SN, call the ATF and ask them what the status is. I was royally effed by an sot on some suppressors, and after a friendly phone call explaining my situation, they were extremely helpful in providing me all of the information I needed to resolve the situation.


This has been done 3 times over the past 5 months.

Every time they tell me nothing is wrong, it just takes a long time.

Currently I'm calling every 60 days. I'll call again in 2 weeks.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
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www.GLVS.org
 
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UPDATE

I called the ATF hotline today for an update.

The kind agent informed me that transfer to my trust from my FFL/SOT Dealer was approved on March 14th.

He hasn't received it yet, but things should be moving along shortly!

What a hassle....I'll NEVER purchase from silencershop.com again.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagon, 1964
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 Big Grin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

www.GreatLandMissions.org
www.GLVS.org
 
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Awesome news bud. What you've gone through definitely sucks but at least now you know you're days away instead of months.


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Sweet!


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