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First form that is overlooked a lot is the Certificate of Compliance. This form is signed by the applicant and just promises the ATF that the applicant is a US citizen. Only 1 copy is required with application. Filling out is self-explaintory with the template.
 Going the Trust route makes the process go a little easier as no fingerprints, photographs and CLEO signoff are required. The Form 4 should be very easy in that a majority of the NFA dealers charge a premium to transfer NFA items and part of the service should be to complete the form for the customer as the applicant should only have to give the dealer their basic information as most of the form has to do with the dealer and the item that is in the dealer's possession. This is here just to make sure that everything is filled out correctly before submitting as even dealers make small mistakes...enough to kick back an application which can add another 30 days or so to the approval process.  On the back all the applicant needs to do is check the boxes and sign their name, "trustee/settlor" (however they are called in the Trust) and submit the application in duplicate (the forms MUST be printed front to back as the ATF won't accept any applications where page 1 & 2 are on seperate pieces of paper) along with a COPY of the Trust (it won't be returned to the applicant) along with a copy of Schedule A (Trust assets) and Schedule B (beneficaries). If the Trust isn't submitted, the application will get kicked back.  GSR-35 piston conversion, SIG P6, SIG P556 SBR, MP5K PDW SBR, P30L, HK45 & other cool stuff |
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CoC is not required for Trusts, but some send it in "to be safe."
I never have and all of my stamps come back quickly. Items 13, 14, 16 and 17 also do not need to be filled out; according to the ATF. |
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I was told by the ATF that the CoC is completed to make sure that the trustee/settlor is eligible to own/receive firearms. It is the same for items 13 & 14 as the trustee/settlor MUST be qualified to own NFA items. A trustee/settlor with a restraining order, felon, minor, etc is still not allowed to own or handle not only NFA items but any firearm in general. I annotated on the form itself for blocks 16 & 17 that action is not required.
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Less than a year ago they felt the need to put it in print, in their FFL Newsletter (Nov. 08):
ATF Newsletter @ atf.gov (Pg. 5) |
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Roger that. My last NFA transfer was October 08 and the customer service didn't provide this information. Thanks for the update!
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The examiners, believe it or not, are people too... And they make mistakes.  I haven't sent a CoC since 2006 and my stamps have all come back in an orderly fashion... Some of the fellas on SilencerTalk have said that there is an examiner that insists on CoC paperwork with Trust Form 4s, although it is not required. I have yet to experience that though. Have fun and be safe! |
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Excellent reference. I've shamelessly purloined those files for future reference (hopefully only 6 months or so when i have some idea of what state i'll be in next year--or if i've got a job!).
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Family trust are the only way to go. I just send in every thing to cover my a$$. To many bad experiences when they were in DC.
Remember: If you can't prove it, it didn't happen |
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