I am teetering on the brink of plunging into another AR build and I know if I take the plunge, I'm gonna suppress it on down the road. So my questions to you 'can fans' are these:

1) Which can? I am leaning towards the YHM one, simply because it appears to be fairly economical and simple to use. I'd like a QD can, that's for certain, and I know which muzzle device goes with the YHM can.

2) What other AR parts must/should I have for a suppressed 16" (still not sure if it'll be an M4gery or a middy) AR? Gasbuster charging handle?

I want to incorporate as many 'can friendly' features as I can as I acquire the parts.

Gracias in advance.

If you're thinking YHM or any can QD can for that matter, look at getting a 308 version.

You can still shoot all the 5.56 through the 308 can you want, and then you'll be able to swap it to a 308 with just the addition of another QD mount.

The 308 might be somewhat louder, but from what I've read it is a much different tone to it, still making it hearing safe.

Having a gas buster charging handel will be a benifit for shooting rapid fire. Slow fire it's not all that much of benifit.

Other then that there is no other parts needed for a suppressed AR.

A middy is going to have a bit less blowback then a carbine gas system, so if you're going 16 inch go for the middy.

I have a Gemtech HALO for my M-16 and other AR platforms. I like it for several reasons;

It is rated for full auto fire
It is very quiet
It is easy on/easy off in less than 30 seconds and fits over a standard flash hider – there is no proprietary attachment mechanism

On the down side, it is somewhat larger and heavier than other AR 5.56 suppressors. For me, the downsides were far outweighed by the upsides.

With any suppressor on an AR platform you’ll want a PRI Gas Buster charging handle to help keep the gasses from blowing back in your face.



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Originally posted by JeepDriver:
If you're thinking YHM or any can QD can for that matter, look at getting a 308 version.

You can still shoot all the 5.56 through the 308 can you want, and then you'll be able to swap it to a 308 with just the addition of another QD mount.

The 308 might be somewhat louder, but from what I've read it is a much different tone to it, still making it hearing safe.

Having a gas buster charging handel will be a benifit for shooting rapid fire. Slow fire it's not all that much of benifit.

Other then that there is no other parts needed for a suppressed AR.

I have also heard that you get less blowback when putting 5.56 throuhg a .308 can. Sound suppression difference seems to be minimal, however, the weight of a .308 can is typically, significantly more than that of the same manufacturer's 5.56 can.

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Originally posted by LDD:
Sound suppression difference seems to be minimal, however, the weight of a .308 can is typically, significantly more than that of the same manufacturer's 5.56 can.

The AAC 308 can is about the same size and weight as a Tac16 223 can.. But a m4-2000 is a lightweight compared to the Tac16. For the money the TAC16 is hard to beat. I say get a Tac16 and save your money for a high end 308 suppressor.

Guys, unless my financial situation improves drastically, I can only imagine affording one can. LOL At least this decade.

Now...what's a good can for a AR again? LOL

Yankee Hill 7.62 Phantom

Gives you the most flexablity caliber wise.

Check out this YOUTUBE VIDEO about Yankee Hill Suppressors. At about 4:30 in they show how flexable they are as far as mounts and calibers used.

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Originally posted by AllenInWV:
Guys, unless my financial situation improves drastically, I can only imagine affording one can. LOL At least this decade.

Now...what's a good can for a AR again? LOL

A Tac16 223 should run you under 450 plus 200 for uncle sugar.

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Originally posted by sig228-gsr:

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Originally posted by LDD:
Sound suppression difference seems to be minimal, however, the weight of a .308 can is typically, significantly more than that of the same manufacturer's 5.56 can.

The AAC 308 can is about the same size and weight as a Tac16 223 can.. But a m4-2000 is a lightweight compared to the Tac16. For the money the TAC16 is hard to beat. I say get a Tac16 and save your money for a high end 308 suppressor.

Yeah, between manufacturers there can be quite a difference. There is also the material (titanium, other exotics).

I have both an AAC M4-2000 and an SAS .308. The SAS is both longer and significantly heavier and seems to have more baffles (that are more closely spaced) than the M4-2000.

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Originally posted by JeepDriver:
If you're thinking YHM or any can QD can for that matter, look at getting a 308 version.

You can still shoot all the 5.56 through the 308 can you want, and then you'll be able to swap it to a 308 with just the addition of another QD mount.

The 308 might be somewhat louder, but from what I've read it is a much different tone to it, still making it hearing safe.

Having a gas buster charging handel will be a benifit for shooting rapid fire. Slow fire it's not all that much of benifit.

Other then that there is no other parts needed for a suppressed AR.

Hey JD - So, would the 308 can also work for a 6.8 SPC upper?

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Originally posted by argolfer:

Hey JD - So, would the 308 can also work for a 6.8 SPC upper?

Yep, you would only need the YHM quick detach in what ever thread pitch your barrel is threaded to. You could have 1 can for 5.56, 6.8 & 7.62!

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Originally posted by JeepDriver:
Yep, you would only need the YHM quick detach in what ever thread pitch your barrel is threaded to. You could have 1 can for 5.56, 6.8 & 7.62!

And the can will only work efficiently with one of those calibers.

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Originally posted by PPGMD:

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Originally posted by JeepDriver:
Yep, you would only need the YHM quick detach in what ever thread pitch your barrel is threaded to. You could have 1 can for 5.56, 6.8 & 7.62!

And the can will only work efficiently with one of those calibers.

It's not like the 5.56 is the best caliber to suppress anyway. If you want Hollywood quiet, get a 22.

For the best mix, for the person only wanting to pay 1 stamp & too use on the widest variety of guns, a 7.62 suppressor makes sence. It's the best option for the money.

The larger voulme of the 7.62 suppressor will help make up for the larger bore size of the baffels. As LDD said also it does help with the blow back.

The naked ear will not be able to tell the difference.

I seriously doubt I'd own a 7.62 rifle anytime soon. I'm going to piece the AR together as it is, so I'll stick with a 5.56 can.

How do you evaluate how good a can is? Do different cans excel in different areas? What kind of life can you expect out of a can?

The YHM beat the AAC in SilencerResearch.com's testing. AAC blamed it on their can having 2 micron larger baffle bores.

If you owned a FA, maybe that might be an issue, as it is I doubt the baffel bore size would make any dirrerence.

YHM offers a warranty that, if needed, will be full filled quickly, and they will answer their phone and reture phone calls.

Even if you owned a FA 5.56 suppressors are not all that great for extended FA sessions. They tend to destroy themselves. ALL MANUFACTURERS have serious issues with extended FA use.

You're not going to shoot the can out. I have one of the cheapest Gem Techs that I am working on 2K through and it's still like new (ok, the finish is a little cooked, but it turns out 200 rds as fast as I can pull the trigger wasn't all that good of an idea). Other then the finish is still GTG. It's quiter then my friends AAC SPR/M4 @ 1/2 the price.

AAC has since redesigned all their 5.56 cans since that test. Also any tests that involves 1921A1 and AAC should be taken with a large grain of salt, he has a serious dislike of AAC.

Never had any warranty issues with AAC, they answer their phones and return their calls quickly.

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Originally posted by PPGMD:
AAC has since redesigned all their 5.56 cans since that test. Also any tests that involves 1921A1 and AAC should be taken with a large grain of salt, he has a serious dislike of AAC.

Never had any warranty issues with AAC, they answer their phones and return their calls quickly.

Like AAC has the best of reputations.

I take anything that comes from AAC with a grain, or pound of salt. John tends to dis proves what AAC claims. That's not a dislike. It's testing.

Can wise AAC has an excellent reputation. I personally own a couple of AAC cans with no issues, and have gotten excellent customer service the few times that I have had to call them.

I'll take anything that a manufacturers claims with a grain of salt. But it's well known that AAC has redesigned all the 5.56 for the 2008 model year.

1921A1 doesn't just test, he dislikes AAC personally. When he was booted off of ST his posts were stuff like "AAC lies." It takes a lot of get booted off of ST for non-spam reasons.

Swear by Gem-Tech. Own a G-5, M4-02, OutbackII, MK-9K, Trinity, HVT and SFN-57. All flawless, great customer service (Kelley is THE MAN! KNOWS EVERYTHING AND MORE) and their cans have tested super-quiet. They have such a loyal following (civilians, military and police) that they currently process +/- 250 forms (1 or 2?) daily.