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What is the procedure and is it even possible? Can I remove the stock and sell as a Pistol once registered as an SBR? Oh, It's an MPX.

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yes,you can sell it as pistol without the stock.I think that might be the best option for you.
And don't forget notify ATF that the firearm is not sbr anymore.
If you filed firm 1 and its within 2 years of approval, you can get your $200 back.
I did this with my mcx.


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yes,you can sell it as pistol without the stock.I think that might be the best option for you.
And don't forget notify ATF that the firearm is not sbr anymore.
If you filed firm 1 and its within 2 years of approval, you can get your $200 back.
I did this with my mcx.

Sounds great, I'm waiting on a reply from the ATF.
 
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I think they call that procedure "removing an item from the NFA registry", if I recall the jargon correctly.

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yes,you can sell it as pistol without the stock.I think that might be the best option for you.
And don't forget notify ATF that the firearm is not sbr anymore.
If you filed firm 1 and its within 2 years of approval, you can get your $200 back.
I did this with my mcx.

Sounds great, I'm waiting on a reply from the ATF.
You don't need to get their permission, BTW.




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I agree with the other posts.If you sell it that way all you need do is remove it from the NFA registry.Dnn't need their permission, just a letter.What about selling it thru a class 3 dealer?Then it can stay an SBR.
 
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I too have been thinking about selling a couple SBR's ... I called the BATFE, got passed around a couple times then got a voice mail ... I left a message a couple weeks ago and still haven't gotten an answer.

So does this letter have to be sent registered mail so you have proof that you sent it?


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The letter is only a suggestion.They don't require one,only recommend that you notify them by mail.This is to keep your future buyer out of trouble if the rifle is stolen later and possibly used in a crime.The BATFE will eventually send you a confirmation letter thanking you for your notification.Probably a year latter judging by how long it takes to get a suppressor approved.LOL.Goes without saying that the SBR has to have a legal barrel length when sold and the new owner can not retain the short barrel unless he has a pistol lower or another SBR lower around.
 
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And don't forget you'll be losing the $200 tax right off the top, profit / loss wise. Wink




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Don't own an sbr, but started thinking about the engraved trust name. Does it stay or go if sold as a pistol and removed from NFA registry?

Figure it would stay if sold as sbr, since you were still the maker, correct?



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Just received my answer from ATF, here it is.

Yes, you can sell it as a pistol. You’ll have to check with your state laws to see if you need to do anything to be lawful. You’ll also need to write a letter to the NFA Branch advising you are removing the stock, removing it from under the purview of the NFA, and selling the pistol. The letter will need to include your trust name, who you are to the trust, your address, the mfg, model, SN, and I’d include some type of contact information (email or phone number, in case they have any questions). Once a specialist reviews your request they will send you a letter advising it is no longer under the NFA purview and a regular pistol again. The letter can be sent to nfamailbox@atf.gov or BATFE / NFA Branch, 344 Needy Rd, Martinsburg, WV 25405.

If you are selling it as a SBR: The transfer will have to be on a form 4, the form must be approved and you must have the approved stamp to transfer to the buyer at the same time as the SBR. If you are selling it to a person (an individual, trust, LLC, Co, etc) they must be in the same state as you. If you are selling it to a dealer who has both a active FFL and SOT licenses, you can sell it to them even if they are out of state.

Let me know if this helps or you have any other questions.

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After all the trouble and $200 to SBR it, I would likely sell the pistol upper and keep the lower. You can always then put any upper of any length on it without asking anybody for permission.

I had thought about doing a Form 1 on any and all future rifle builds just to have that flexibility.
$200 is a cheap way to be free to do whatever you want with your rifle, in the future.
YMMV,

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After all the trouble and $200 to SBR it, I would likely sell the pistol upper and keep the lower. You can always then put any upper of any length on it without asking anybody for permission.

I had thought about doing a Form 1 on any and all future rifle builds just to have that flexibility.
$200 is a cheap way to be free to do whatever you want with your rifle, in the future.
YMMV,

Bruce

If my gun was an AR I would agree, but since it's a Sig MPX I just want to sell it. For those of you that think the $200 is refundable, that is incorrect. It is only refundable if the process was stopped before it was approved.
 
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For those of you that think the $200 is refundable, that is incorrect. It is only refundable if the process was stopped before it was approved.

Actually, it would be refunded (within 2 years of approval) if the firearm was never converted into the sbr. In your case the sbr was completed so no refund.




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For those of you that think the $200 is refundable, that is incorrect. It is only refundable if the process was stopped before it was approved.

Actually, it would be refunded (within 2 years of approval) if the firearm was never converted into the sbr. In your case the sbr was completed so no refund.

I'm curious as to why that would ever happen. Why would you apply and wait 2 years to convert to an SBR when all it takes is a stock and engraving?
 
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My mcx was the very first batch,with the self regulating gas valve, 9 inch barrel, cabelas exclusive package with 556 and 300 blackout, malfunction like crazy, sig bought it back. Luckily I tried it In pistol form first before put my stock on.


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I'm curious as to why that would ever happen. Why would you apply and wait 2 years to convert to an SBR when all it takes is a stock and engraving?

Many reasons. Maybe after it was approved you couldn't find anyone selling a stock? Maybe you changed jobs and moved to a state that doesn't allow sbr's. Maybe you had a receiver that was approved, but you changed your mind before building the gun.

It actually happened to me. I bought a receiver and got the approval. Waited about 18 months before starting to build it (it was an ak47 so it really was a build). Found out that the receiver had defects that would have made the build difficult. Had it removed from the registry and bought another receiver. Had the new receiver approved in 3 weeks.

The $200.00 was returned a few months later.




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After all the trouble and $200 to SBR it, I would likely sell the pistol upper and keep the lower. You can always then put any upper of any length on it without asking anybody for permission.

I had thought about doing a Form 1 on any and all future rifle builds just to have that flexibility.
$200 is a cheap way to be free to do whatever you want with your rifle, in the future.
YMMV,

Bruce


This might be a bit of bad advice - correct me if I am wrong.

My understanding....when the device is registered as a SBR, the barrel length is listed. This barrel length must be possessed to return the weapon to its original configuration as it was registered.

Thus, if a SBR is registered with a 10.5" barrel, you keep that length in possession. Any other uppers can be attached for use.

Please correct me if my info is incorrect.

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I do believe you are correct. I had forgotten that little detail! Smile

You can sell off all the other lengths of short uppers *except* the one listed on your form with the cool $200 stamp.

Astute observation Wink

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Just received my answer from ATF, here it is.

Yes, you can sell it as a pistol. You’ll have to check with your state laws to see if you need to do anything to be lawful. You’ll also need to write a letter to the NFA Branch advising you are removing the stock, removing it from under the purview of the NFA, and selling the pistol. The letter will need to include your trust name, who you are to the trust, your address, the mfg, model, SN, and I’d include some type of contact information (email or phone number, in case they have any questions). Once a specialist reviews your request they will send you a letter advising it is no longer under the NFA purview and a regular pistol again. The letter can be sent to nfamailbox@atf.gov or BATFE / NFA Branch, 344 Needy Rd, Martinsburg, WV 25405.

If you are selling it as a SBR: The transfer will have to be on a form 4, the form must be approved and you must have the approved stamp to transfer to the buyer at the same time as the SBR. If you are selling it to a person (an individual, trust, LLC, Co, etc) they must be in the same state as you. If you are selling it to a dealer who has both a active FFL and SOT licenses, you can sell it to them even if they are out of state.

Let me know if this helps or you have any other questions.

V/r,

I have a SiG 552, that came with a barrel extension (to make it a 16" rifle) which was threaded and blind-pinned on ... When I SBR'd it, I removed the extension, so by that same advise, I could permently re-attach an extension, advise the NFA and sell it?

Do I have to wait until I receive their acknowledgment letter to sell it?


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