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Freethinker
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This has been a good thread thus far. Owning a suppressor definitely raises one’s cool index, and I will even admit to have been influenced by it to a degree myself, but no one else ever talks about that (although heavyd has alluded to it now).

So now I’m curious: If the attraction of having a suppressor is shooting very quietly with no hearing protection in one’s back yard and being able to hear the tink! on steel, why not use an airgun? That’s far less expensive, far less complicated, and—without special efforts—far more effective. Why the one and not the other? (This is a serious question and is not intended to be a disrespectful challenge or put-down.)




“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.”
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Posts: 36241 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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...why not use an airgun?

You may have heard offgrid, Alpine, and I mention a very good steel/tactical match shooter by the name of Scott -- who also lives in Colorado. He shoots some very high end airguns for practice, and competed with air rifles for some time. Offgrid can tell you that his best air rifles will give a match-grade 22lr a run for accuracy out to 50 yards.

Last year a friend gave to me her father's air rifle when he passed. It's a spring-piston Feinwerkbau 124 air rifle. The high-end PCP rifles operate from pressurized air tanks. The springers must be cocked for each shot -- in the case of the FWB 124 it essentially is a break-barrel cocking motion. I shoot my FWB in my basement, in a 30-foot lane.

I'm finding that it's really hard to shoot a springer rifle accurately. There are both forward and backward recoil pulses, and my trigger is heavy & gritty. Compared to powder-driven bullets, air-driven pellets are in the barrel a long time, which means more time for follow-through sloppiness to throw a shot off target. Only this week did I start putting together some accurate shooting from one position. Scott says the way one holds a air rifle is the key, and I believe him. I don't really have a grasp yet on which method(s) work best.

So....air rifles are an option. It's possible I may go down Scott's path of PCP rifles, but for now I will carry on with a decidedly more challenging (and cheaper) road. I absolutely believe that PCP rifles are easier to shoot and more accurate than my springer.

FWIW, springer air rifles are supposedly notorious for destroying scopes, due to their dual-direction recoil. For a quality low-priced scope that still has parallax adjustment below 30 feet, I bought a Burris Timberline, per Scott's recommendation. The Timberline is definitely not in the league of my NF optics, but so far it's working nicely.
 
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Freethinker
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I haven’t shot my FWB air rifle in years. My available indoor shooting position is just a little cramped to use it easily, but I should make the effort.

When I was asking about air rifles rather than suppressors, I was focusing on the noiseless (except for the tink!) aspect rather than practicing for serious shooting.




“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.”
— Leo Tolstoy
 
Posts: 36241 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I recall that Scott uses his air rifles both indoors on paper targets, and outdoors on steel. I don't think he lives all that far from his neighbors, therefore the PCP rifles allow him to practice on steel without the report of traditional rifles.

In a similar concept, offgrid practices on his property with suppressed subsonic 22lr on steel, which helps with the neighbors.

My current townhouse has virtually no back yard, therefore no outdoor options are available to me at home, other than the basement. Should I move to a place with a little bit of land, I would seriously consider a PCP rifle for steel targets around the house. After the initial equipment investment (including air tanks), the cost per round of air pellets makes reloading cartridges with powder look expensive.
 
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I have no need to shoot a silent firearm and I do not seek ammo loads to achieve a very quiet firearm.
But, I do desire to retain what hearing that I have left. What pushed me to acquire suppressors was my acquisition of an AR-15 to which I attached a muzzle brake. To be sure, the report was extremely loud without the brake, but the brake pushed the blast back toward me. At one shooting spell, I forgot to install one ear plug after a conversation. The next round that I fired sent excruciating pain through my exposed ear. It also dawned upon me the noise abuse that I was showering on shooters around me who might be young and ignorant of the accumulated effects of noise over a lifetime or less.
I ordered a suppressor that evening. An AAC M4-2000.
This suppressor is the best that I could find at the time. I had no illusion that it would deliver "movie screen" silence. What it delivered was extremely acceptable noise level.
I am now in love with suppressors. I now have them on my rifles and pistols. My latest purchase is still in the process. Hopefully it will arrive in the next month or so.

If a person discards the fantasy of whisper quiet shooting, he might discover the great advantages of fewer decibels.


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arlen
 
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recovering ammoholic
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Originally posted by heavyd:

SNIPE

All in all, here are the toys from meh to that's awesome.

Firearms
Suppressors
Full auto
ETA: Night Vision / Thermal
Explosives

There are a lot of people with suppressors now. Full auto is what most people flip out for.


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