First, if you have/had the choice between both to suppress, which one did you and why?

Are there benefits to doing one over the other?

Also, what can to you have on yours and what is the deal with the 'mount'? Thanks

Question:
Suppress a P226 or P228 (9MM)?

Choices:
P226/9MM
P228/9MM
Either / no preference.

 

I have both, I like both. For now the 228 worked better, I have a barsto bbl that is wearing my slide out, now there are factory barrels which I believe are far superior. My 226 is new and may just need a break in. If I were to do it all over again, I'd get a SWR trident. You need a booster mount for either pistol.

228, shorter barrel, easier to get loads subsonic and still cycle.

I chose to initially suppress my P226 due to the extra mag capacity. I was thinking that it would balance better with the can attached to the front. I like my P228/P229 suppressed as well, but I'm glad I started out with my P226.

I have a Gemtech M.M. with their L.C.D. mount. Other than it loosening up, I have no complaints. I started using a little teflon tape and no more problems.

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Originally posted by ColtM4:
I have a barsto bbl that is wearing my slide out, now there are factory barrels which I believe are far superior.

What exactly is 'wearing out' and what is causing it? Poor fit?

Slide is getting beaten up under the bbl hood/top of ejection port(maybe bad fit) barrel wearing in that area and slide rails seem to be wearing unevenly in spots. I think a stainless slide would help, but definitely a factory bbl wouldn't hurt either. Longer bbls put less leverage on the gun.

I have a YHM Cobra on my P226. It works great and is very quiet. I don't own a P228, but they look a bit stubby with the can. Threaded P226 barrels and raised sights may be a bit easier to acquire.

flesheatingvirus - SIG Factory threaded barrel there? Did you send it back to SIG to fit or did it just drop in? I've seen threads where some people have to have a portion of the slide modified... but it was on a P220...

Love the 226!

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
flesheatingvirus - SIG Factory threaded barrel there? Did you send it back to SIG to fit or did it just drop in? I've seen threads where some people have to have a portion of the slide modified... but it was on a P220...

Sig factory threaded barrels for P226/8/9 do not need to be fitted. The factory threaded barrel for my P228 was drop-in. For the P220 factory threaded barrels, sometimes there is a need for some minor fitting over the area where the barrel goes under the slide near the ejection port.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
flesheatingvirus - SIG Factory threaded barrel there? Did you send it back to SIG to fit or did it just drop in? I've seen threads where some people have to have a portion of the slide modified... but it was on a P220...

Factory barrel purchased from Top Gun Supply. It dropped right in with zero issues.

I had my 228 suppressed, bar sto and Evo 9.

The conclusion I came to is that I bought the 228 because it's a great compact gun. Putting a threaded barrel killed using my holsters, concealed carry, and the general use of the gun as I intended it.

This led me to believe that suppressing a 226 would be much better. It's already full size, who cares if there's more barrel, I get more ammo also. Not to mention, this setup would be deployed mainly as a HD gun, so the extra rounds help, although I did have 20 round mags for the 228.

But my 228 did not have a light rail either, which I would utilize on a HD suppressed gun. Possibly Crimson Trace also.

What I came to realize was that by having the 228 with a threaded barrel, it was awesome at indoor ranges, but that was all I could do with it. It could not be carried, and have a suppressor around, and for HD I see the 226 as a better option. The sub compact gets brought out into the world, while the suppressed full size has nightstand duty.

My thoughts. Here's a pic before I sold it. Now I dream one day, of a 226 Navy with a threaded Sig factory barrel. Oh yeah.

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Originally posted by ColtM4:
Slide is getting beaten up under the bbl hood/top of ejection port(maybe bad fit) barrel wearing in that area and slide rails seem to be wearing unevenly in spots. I think a stainless slide would help, but definitely a factory bbl wouldn't hurt either. Longer bbls put less leverage on the gun.

I have a p228 with the same wear you have described that has housed a factory barrel its whole life. It's normal.

I have an SWR Trident on a 226, with factory Sig threaded barrel.

I use the LCD (linear compression device, which is SWR's name for their neilson "booster" device) mount. I use the 3-lug mount on my MP5 clone, and in the extremely near future, on a B&T TP-9.

The current state of 9mm suppressors in a nutshell-

The suppressor you buy should be determined by what you will use it on. The new AAC Ti-Rant is the most expensive 9mm pistol suppressor, but it also is the best performing. However, it doesn't have a 3-lug mount (although, that may change in the future, but who knows at this time). That being said, you can use the fixed barrel spacer for the Evo in the Ti-Rant and be good to go if you need to use it on a fixed-barrel weapon. Keep in mind that the Evo and Ti-Rant use AAC's built-in booster (the ASAP system).

If you need 3-lug, and you will be using the suppressor on pistols (which you will be), you could go with an SWR Trident or an AAC Evolution (the Evolution has a 3-lug mount called the "triad" adapter"). The newer Evo's are pretty neck-and-neck with the Trident in performance, and are smaller in diameter.

If you want to strictly suppress a full auto subgun, and not a pistol, all 3 of the above are poor choices, and you should go with one of the large volume suppressors from Gemtech or similar, to avoid getting gas in your face. Although, the 3 suppressors I mentioned above are rated for full-auto fire.

But, since you are using pistols, the only 3 suppressors I would consider purchasing if in your shoes, would be the AAC Ti-Rant, Evolution, or SWR Trident. All three are good performers and have stainless steel blast-baffles (to protect from the erosion of constant firing on short pistol barrels).

You need a neilson device (booster) mount if you want your Sig pistol to cycle with the suppressor. However, if you just want the pistol to be single-shot (there are reasons for this, which include differences in sound level, accuracy, brass cleanup, etc), you could use a 3-lug adapter on the end of your threaded barrel from TROS, and use a Trident or Evo with one of their respective 3-lug mounts.

If you want to get a good idea of what is going on right now with suppressors, visit:

www.silencertalk.com

and

www.silencerresearch.com

As far as customer service for AAC and SWR, I only have experience with SWR. Their customer service is extremely good. If fact, I have never heard a negative thing about it.

AAC's service is also very good. However, I do not have first hand experience with their service.

226 or 228?

These pistols are very similar. In other words, their actions operate in an identical fashion. For this reason, you can compare their performances while suppressed, directly in terms of barrel length.

The 226 has a longer barrel, so there is more volume for the expanding gasses to fill. As such, there is a lower blast pressure for the suppressor to deal with. As a result, the suppressor is able to quiet things down further. The 226 will be quieter. But by how much, which suppressor is the best for it?

That is tough to say. The difference in suppression between the 226 and 228 will vary depending on which suppressor you use. The baffles in the AAC Evo and Ti-Rant are of the "K" geometrical configuration, and perform very well under high pressure. The so-called "omega" baffles of the SWR Trident do not perform as well under higher pressure. Although I have not seen exact same-day-same-ammo test results for the 226 vs. 228 with all 3 suppressors, my educated guess says that both the Evo and Ti-Rant will be quieter than the Trident on the 228. On the 226, the Ti-Rant will be the most quiet. The Trident will probably slightly edge out the Evo.

There are also weight factors to consider. If you are suppressing a 226 or 228 with an aluminum frame, the gun is already somewhat front heavy due to the steel slide. The Trident is heavier than the Evo or Ti-Rant, but it is definitely still fun to shoot (I have one). The Ti-Rant is extremely light.

So, consider which guns you will use the suppressor on (now, and in the future), consider the barrel length, the weight, and the actual suppressed performance.

I hope this helps.

P226 for me. SWR Trident 9 with Sig factory threaded barrel. Guns works and functions flawlessly with the suppressor on or without. My only complaint is not being able to see the sights. The can sticks up to high. I aim off the end of the can out to 15yds and am fairly accurate doing it like that. All 147gr ammo is subsonic and whether you shoot it in a P226 or P229 doesn't make a difference. Anything that is 115gr or 124gr unless you down load it will be supersonic in either gun.

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Originally posted by gaspipes:
All 147gr ammo is subsonic and whether you shoot it in a P226 or P229 doesn't make a difference. Anything that is 115gr or 124gr unless you down load it will be supersonic in either gun.

That is incorrect, see my post above. While both will be subsonic, there is much more to suppression than just the sonic crack of the projectile.

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Originally posted by TOOL1075:

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Originally posted by gaspipes:
All 147gr ammo is subsonic and whether you shoot it in a P226 or P229 doesn't make a difference. Anything that is 115gr or 124gr unless you down load it will be supersonic in either gun.

That is incorrect, see my post above. While both will be subsonic, there is much more to suppression than just the sonic crack of the projectile.

The 226 has a longer barrel, so there is more volume for the expanding gasses to fill. As such, there is a lower blast pressure for the suppressor to deal with. As a result, the suppressor is able to quiet things down further.

You're kidding right? .5" of barrel isn't going to matter. If it was a significant length difference(rifle vs. pistol) then yeah, I believe that. But between those two pistols, suppression is for all intent and purpose the same. I own both by the way(229 & 226). Can't tell a difference to the naked ear.

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Originally posted by gaspipes:

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Originally posted by TOOL1075:

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Originally posted by gaspipes:
All 147gr ammo is subsonic and whether you shoot it in a P226 or P229 doesn't make a difference. Anything that is 115gr or 124gr unless you down load it will be supersonic in either gun.

That is incorrect, see my post above. While both will be subsonic, there is much more to suppression than just the sonic crack of the projectile.

The 226 has a longer barrel, so there is more volume for the expanding gasses to fill. As such, there is a lower blast pressure for the suppressor to deal with. As a result, the suppressor is able to quiet things down further.

You're kidding right? .5" of barrel isn't going to matter. If it was a significant length difference(rifle vs. pistol) then yeah, I believe that. But between those two pistols, suppression is for all intent and purpose the same. I own both by the way(229 & 226). Can't tell a difference to the naked ear.

No, I am not kidding.... although I have not tested those pistols at the same time, same day, same ammo, same suppressor (like I said).

Which suppressor are you using, and how good is your hearing?

Barrel length effects lockup time too....

Ever fired a suppressed G17 and G19 side-by-side? The difference there is noticeable.

If yours both sound exactly the same, I would be very interested to know which suppressor and ammo you are using.

Tool, I have what is posted in the picture in my post above. I shoot Federal American Eagle 147gr. The non toxic stuff AE9N or something, I don't know the model number. I also reload and shoot those through it.

I'm not gonna argue with ya. But for the OP's question, I don't think he will be unhappy with any good 9mm can on either Sig. But personally, if I had to pick one 9mm pistol to suppress it would be the P226.

Thanks for the feedback. The 9MM suppressor is on hold for now (funds) but I'll slowly start working towards it, as well as getting a threaded barrel...