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Freethinker
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Does anyone have information and/or opinions about the GEMTECH suppressed bolt carrier (here)?

I don’t want to set up an AR for routine use of a suppressor (at least not now), but would like to use one occasionally on different rifles, and wonder if this would be a good way of doing that while ensuring reliable operation.

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Update:

I received the BCG, but due to the weather and other commitments I haven’t had a chance to try it. Plus my suppressor hasn’t been returned from the upgrade process.

Here, however, is at least a photo of the key showing how the screws are staked as was requested.



Overall, the unit is very nicely machined and finished.

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I have heard about these before, but based on the description I can't figure out what exactly switching the BCG between its two settings does. It just says it slows it down. I just put H2 buffers in all of my suppressed ARs (5.56 & .300 AAC) and they run flawlessly suppressed or unsuppressed. They all have fixed gas blocks and are SBRs as well. Heck, even the .300AAC performs from subsonic to supersonic suppressed or unsuppressed. I have not found a single configuration that they won't perform in.

The Gemtech may be a good piece of kit, but in my experience I think it's uneccesary, and the same outcome can be accomplished at a lower cost.




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Thanks, DevlDogs55, that’s the sort of information I’m seeking.




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I have one of these in a 12.5" SBR'd 5.56. I also run a JP Precision captured heavy spring in the rifle. As DD pointed out above the heavier buffer weight appears to be more important and by itself does just fine. Truth be told my go-to rifle is an 11.5" BCM that I run an H3 buffer in for simplicity sake.

With the Gemtech BCG I have found though that the recoil impulse is noticeable when switching from the unsuppressed to suppressed setting while shooting with a can. That difference being a slower less violent (as violent as 5.56 can be) recoil. Between swapping springs on the JP unit and changing the setting on the BCG I was able to optimize (to my satisfaction at least) the settings for suppressed and unsuppressed fire with a simple turn of the selector on the BCG.

For me it was a matter of trying out something new vs. any real need. I could have used an adjustable gas block for much the same results. To that end my newest SBR is a 12.5" .308 utilizing a Superlative Arms bleed-off adjustable gas block. Two methods to hopefully achieve the same result.

If I had to guess I'd say they are targeting the casual shooter that wants to shoot both suppressed and unsuppressed without making a lot of changes. Springs and buffer weights might not be a hard concept for most of us, but its still more complicated than selecting "U" or "S" for a novice/entry level guy.

If there are any specific questions or requests I can answer please let me know. I'll be going out to the range tomorrow, if you'd like I can try to get some video showing the recoil shooting this rifle in both settings.



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SigM4, I'm curious as to what happens mechanically in the BCG when you toggle between the two settings. Can you shed some light on that for me, please?

I'm glad you've had good results with it. I run the JP SCS in an H2 configuration for my 300AAC and I love it. I primarily went that route to get the rifle as quiet as possible while shooting subs.




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Thanks, too, SigM4. You addressed my specific concern which is to be able shoot reliably both suppressed and unsuppressed with the same rifle, but without having to make modifications that might affect the reliability of the gun in the unsuppressed mode, and without the complication of changing the gas block.




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Originally posted by DevlDogs55:
SigM4, I'm curious as to what happens mechanically in the BCG when you toggle between the two settings. Can you shed some light on that for me, please?


There is a valve inside the BCG that bleeds off some of the increased back pressure coming down the gas tube as a result of the suppressor and vents it directly through the ejection port instead of letting it drive the BCG backwards. Its almost like moving the adjustable gas block back into the BCG.

Here is a video that highlights the process, you can see some of the added gas being vented out the ejection port in some of his strings of fire.



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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Thanks, too, SigM4. You addressed my specific concern which is to be able shoot reliably both suppressed and unsuppressed with the same rifle, but without having to make modifications that might affect the reliability of the gun in the unsuppressed mode, and without the complication of changing the gas block.


That was part of my thought process as well. Being able to make the change with no tools and or having to carry alternate springs/buffers around. Its no more difficult than pulling the BCG out and using a fingernail to swap the setting.



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Thanks again to both of you. That video was very informative.

I ordered one and am looking forward to tying it with my existing suppressor that is being modified for a universal mount now.




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Thanks for posting that. I like the looks of it.




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sigfreund, did you receive the bolt carrier?

I'm eager for your initial observations, including the quality of the Carrier Key staking.
 
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sigfreund, did you receive the bolt carrier?


It’s en route. I’ll post a review after having a chance to evaluate it.




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Update with new question in original post.




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I realize I'm a bit late to this particular party, but I Would have recommended a Noveske switchblock instead of this. Something just doesn't seem kosher to me about having a non-standard BCG in an AR..




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Originally posted by exx1976:
I Would have recommended a Noveske switchblock instead of this.


Thanks for that, but I didn’t want to make any permanent modifications like changing gas blocks. I can use this with multiple guns and always not use it if it doesn’t work properly. Although I wasn’t really looking for this when I found it because, as I mentioned, I didn’t want to go through the process of setting up a rifle dedicated for the purpose, this will hopefully allow me to use a suppressor on those few occasions when I might want to.

The reviews of this BCG have been favorable, but I shall find out for myself.




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sigfreund, have you had a chance to use the bolt carrier yet?
 
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I haven’t had a chance to use the bolt carrier yet. I’ve been busy of late and now it seems as though I’ve caught the bug that’s active in my community.

Thanks for the reminder, though. Perhaps in a week or so.




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I followed this thread and decided to buy one of these Gemtech carriers.

I found it worked wonderfully well. With the suppressor mounted and the bolt valve set to "suppressed" it deposited the brass in a nice pile at about the 4 O' clock position which is just what you want.

Recoil impulse (not that there is a lot in 5.56) was reduced enough that I could feel the difference.

These suppressed carriers may not be absolutely necessary, but I believe they lower the stress on the rifle when shooting suppressed, and that has to help with parts longevity and reliability.

I also tested it in the un-supressed position with the can off and reliability was 100% - it ran just fine.

I liked this bolt carrier enough to go ahead and order another.
 
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