he he

Minneapolis City Council do-gooders have chosen to ignore the near desperate pleas from local business owners and are moving forward with their own $15/hour plan...based entirely on Seattle's plan.

http://www.startribune.com/min...wednesday/431318313/



Meanwhile, McDonald's is coming up with their own way to counter this stupidity:

http://tribunist.com/news/mcdo...all-time-high-video/

My speech on minimum wage has always been the same. Why is it supposed to be a "living wage" whatever that means?

Get a job. Work hard. Learn. Gain experience. Move up. Make more money.

Does a living wage mean the 16-year-old getting a job to help pay for a car/insurance beer money should be able to live on his wage? You have to start somewhere. If you're still at that same point year later maybe you need to look at why that is.

^^^^^ The Liberals always claim that "minimum wage" jobs aren't always held by teenagers still living at home, but by the principal wage earner for a family. That may be true, but raising the minimum wage isn't the right fix.

When I was a kid, Society generally expected people to wait to raise a family until they had a job that could support it. I still think it's a good idea.

flashguy

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Originally posted by olfuzzy:
What's that they say about being careful what you wish for?


Seattle's first-in-the-nation $15 per hour minimum wage law is hurting the workers it aimed to help, a new study has found.

The working poor are making more per hour but taking home less pay. The University of Washington paper asserts the new wages boosted worker pay by 3 percent, but also resulted in a 9-percent reduction in hours and a $125 cut to the monthly paychecks.

The law also cost the city 5,000 jobs, the report said.

Seattle's minimum wage ordinance, passed by the Seattle City Council and signed by Mayor Ed Murray in 2014, was sold as a way to close the income inequality gap and help those struggling at the bottom of the economic ladder. More than a dozen cities and counties, mostly in California and New York, followed suit.

"This is a two-edged sword," said Jacob Vigdor, one of the team of researchers studying the issues for Seattle. "And if you raise this minimum wage the way Seattle did you run the risk of actually taking money away from the people you are trying to help."

The study was published as a "working paper" on Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

A national campaign called "Fight for $15" aims to bring higher wages across the country by worker strikes and demonstrations.

The Seattle mayor tweeted his rebuttal of the study, and previously cited Seattle's growing economy and low unemployment as evidence that higher wages are not bad for the city.

"The facts: Seattle's economy is booming, with wages increasing & restaurants & retail among our fastest growing job sectors," he wrote on Twitter.

But Louise Chernin, CEO of the Greater Seattle Business Association, said jobs should be increasing at a higher rate.

"You'd think with the amount of people moving into Seattle and the number of businesses and restaurants that are opening, we'd be hiring more people," she said. "It just shows me they are struggling."

The study shows not everybody is struggling, however. Job growth in the city is strong, up 13 percent in the past year – but only for those making more than $19 per hour.


http://www.foxnews.com/politic...kers-study-says.html

This is perfect - they got exactly what everyone told them to beware of !! Couldn't happen to a more special gaggle of entitled libtards.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
^^^^^ The Liberals always claim that "minimum wage" jobs aren't always held by teenagers still living at home, but by the principal wage earner for a family. That may be true, but raising the minimum wage isn't the right fix.

When I was a kid, Society generally expected people to wait to raise a family until they had a job that could support it. I still think it's a good idea.

flashguy

Their concept of reality is very weird. There just might be a family of 18 depending on minimum wage income, but really so what. Should employers base wages on the financial need of employees? Should a guy with student debt, a drug addiction, and an expensive car get paid more than a responsible, debt free single employee?
Their arguments are stupid when examined even peripherally. Also why is $15/hr a magic number? Why does everyone feel that $15/hr will cure anything? Everyone knows that $15/hr in LA buys almost nothing, where $15/hr in small town TX would go much farther. So why lead the drive to $15/hr? Just more socialist nonsense.

Shh! Listen! You can hear the little 9 watt light bulb fizzling to life over the heads of these rocket surgeons:

Maine restaurant workers successfully lobby to lower the minimum wage

The socialist city governments that do this are not doing it to help these people, they know it doesn't work, raising wages - raises costs, everything goes up including the tax revenue paid on income paid out to employees, so they gain more revenue out of the business, higher wages more income tax revenue...

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Originally posted by HRK:
The socialist city governments that do this are not doing it to help these people, they know it doesn't work, raising wages - raises costs, everything goes up including the tax revenue paid on income paid out to employees, so they gain more revenue out of the business, higher wages more income tax revenue...

You mean socialists are hypocritical? Say it isn't so.

Try this out on the most liberal person you can find. I test drove it with one of my wife's friends and had a blast. Here we go...

The issue is that these people earning minimum wage can't pay their bills, you know, the guy with four kids and a wife working at Mickey D's, right? So if I as a business owner have to pay my employees $15/hr, shouldn't I also get to dictate how many kids they can have, where they can live, and how much they can spend? You know, drive up wages and drive down costs.

Watch their heads to explode when you deliver this 'idea'.

Here's what Milton Friedman thinks about minimum wage laws:



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ca8Z__o52sk

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Here's what Milton Friedman thinks about minimum wage laws:



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ca8Z__o52sk

I think he's right on, but I don't really get the connection to the labor unions--most minimum wage earners are not members of unions, and there is virtually no probability that they would be, because businesses employing minimum wage employees would just shut down rather than allow their employees to be unionized. (That, in itself, would be just another way that the low-skilled workers are damaged by minimum-wage laws.)

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Here's what Milton Friedman thinks about minimum wage laws:



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ca8Z__o52sk

I think he's right on, but I don't really get the connection to the labor unions--most minimum wage earners are not members of unions, and there is virtually no probability that they would be, because businesses employing minimum wage employees would just shut down rather than allow their employees to be unionized. (That, in itself, would be just another way that the low-skilled workers are damaged by minimum-wage laws.)

flashguy

Besides it being unions' general schtick to be always for improving wages, benefits, etc. for the working stiff, union wages are often based on being X percent above the minimum wage, so an increase in the minimum wage will usually result in higher wages for union members, after the contracts are renegotiated.

quote:

Originally posted by flashguy:

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Here's what Milton Friedman thinks about minimum wage laws:



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ca8Z__o52sk

I think he's right on, but I don't really get the connection to the labor unions--most minimum wage earners are not members of unions, and there is virtually no probability that they would be, because businesses employing minimum wage employees would just shut down rather than allow their employees to be unionized. (That, in itself, would be just another way that the low-skilled workers are damaged by minimum-wage laws.)

flashguy

He states that the unions are supportive of minimum wage hikes. This is because union contracts are written such that the contracted union wage is the total minimum wage + agreed amount. Therefore, any increase in minimum wage lifts the whole stack for the unions, thus their full-throated support for increases.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Let me know what you want to "prove" and I can find (or craft) a study that supports you.

Long before my college statistics classes, I found and read a book in the high school library called - I kid you not - How to Lie With Statistics

It is without a doubt, the most fun-to-read book ever written with the word 'statistics' in its title. (Unless, perhaps someone has written a monograph on the measurements and standard deviations of Playboy models- but I digress.) Lots of diagrams and examples of misleading charts, graphs, etc. and explanations of why they are misleading and what straight-up data analysis and presentation would have looked like.

Despite the title, it's really a reader's guide as to how to detect lies done using statistics, from the '50s. Though, in the wrong hands - Berkeley economists, global hoaxers, the New York Times, etc. - those tactics and methods from decades past are still going strong, befuddling non-skeptics and the congenitally credible.

On Fox Special Report tonight, Seattle isn't paying for the study they ordered, and they are now trying to get a guy from UC Berkeley to put out a study showing the opposite of what the UW guys found. Real scientific.

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Originally posted by HRK:
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...so they gain more revenue out of the business, higher wages more income tax revenue...

not in WA, no income tax. Must be from the love of humanity.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...y-criticizi-n2348804

June 20, 2017: University of California-Berkeley’s Institute For Research And Labor Employment released a study claiming that Seattle’s minimum wage hike has increased pay for workers without eliminating jobs. The study claims that it “was prepared at the request of the Mayor of Seattle,” and is immediately criticized for having a partisan-agenda and ignoring key facts.

June 26, 2017: University of Washington researchers released a study that finds Seattle’s minimum wage increase has slashed workers’ hours, costing them on average $125 a month. The study is called “very credible,” by MIT economics professor David Autor and analysts from FiveThirtyEight and The Washington Post both acknowledge that these findings are bad news for those that support minimum wage increases.

June 26, 2017: The Seattle Weekly’s Daniel Person publishes a piece entitled, “The City Knew the Bad Minimum Wage Report Was Coming Out, So It Called Up Berkeley,” with quotes from Seattle Mayor Ed Murray’s spokesperson indicating that the Mayor’s office was aware that University of Washington’s report would not have favorable results for minimum wage increase advocates. Person’s reporting then states that the Mayor’s office shared University of Washington’s findings with UC-Berkeley researchers that were supportive of minimum wage hikes, in order to give UC-Berkeley a chance to craft their own report that had positive results about the increase.

Now, Fox News has obtained emails showing that Mayor Murray gave the Berkeley team a deadline for their report, noting it should be published a week before University of Washington’s analysis to preempt the study showing that the Rain City doesn’t know basic economics

Seattle City Councilwoman Kshama Sawant , a former economics professor at Seattle Central Community College who ran for office as a Socialist, accused the UW team of “ideologically editorializing." She and Mayor Ed Murray then contacted Michael Reich, an economics professor at the University of California at Berkeley.

According to emails obtained by Fox News, Reich was given a deadline by Murray. His work was to be completed just before the University of Washington team announced its results. Vigdor, the director of the study, shared with city council staffers the preliminary results of the research and provided a timeline for when it would be made public.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...inimum-wage-n2353469

Zane Tankel, the CEO of Applebee’s New York franchise:

his restaurants were forced to fire at least 1,000 employees so far thanks to the liberal policy

"The model now that we're heading towards where we had one server for three or four tables, we're moving towards one server for ten tables, eliminating about two-thirds of our labor ultimately. But it's because of Cuomo, De Blasio, the liberal agenda."

If Applebee's completely follows through with its concierge service, nearly 2,000 employees will be heading for the exit

The lost workers, he explained, could be replaced with tablets that are placed on customers’ tables.

"Increasing minimum wage is technology's best friend," Tankel concluded.